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11/17/2006 02:23:31 PM · #1 |
So I see this pop up across the top of gmail....
//www.eonlinesales.net/product.php?productid=16136&cat=0&page=1&featured
Looks pretty risque to me. Anybody KNOW anything about these guys? I'm not asking for a bunch of speculation - I understand this is too good to be true. I'm just curious if a bunch of software pirates have convinced Google to run ads for them or what exactly is going on here. |
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11/17/2006 02:36:04 PM · #2 |
Things that appear too good to be true generally are.
I wonder if it is the trail version you can DL for free from Adobe?
Message edited by author 2006-11-17 14:36:24.
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11/17/2006 02:37:08 PM · #3 |
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11/17/2006 02:40:06 PM · #4 |
I wouldn't trust it right away. The FAQ and ABOUT THIS SITE links are totally blank. Then reading the terms and conditions seems pretty sketchy too:
"2.3. You cannot register the software with the manufacturer and updates are available not for all the products; 2.4. You do not receive printed license documentation; 2.5. You do not receive a copy of the software on a disk."
Those little "conditions" stood out to me and kind of say this site may not be completely legit. I wouldn't want to risk paying this particular "dealer" even though it is significantly less expensive than shelling out $600 for the software or $300 for the update. Just my opinion! 8o)
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11/17/2006 02:49:00 PM · #5 |
You could call and ask? That is if their domain reg info is correct.
Created on: 07-Dec-05
Busby, Steven sales@eonlinesales.net
Global Media LLC
1314 N. Hayworth Ave
West Hollywood, California 90046
United States
8587771907 Fax -- |
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11/17/2006 02:50:44 PM · #6 |
| It would be real interesting if you got a reply from that or any of the half dozen other websites the same guy has selling the same things. |
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11/17/2006 02:53:52 PM · #7 |
I'm not interested in buying the software. I'm interested in whether or not Google has any culpability by advertising for illegal software. I'm pretty doggone sure the software is illegal, and I will probably report this to Adobe on their site.
I think Google has a responsibility to pull these ads if this is indeed outside the normal approved distribution scheme for Adobe. |
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11/17/2006 04:26:49 PM · #8 |
| Might be selling "backups" ;) |
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11/17/2006 04:31:20 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Noel_ZH:
Might be selling "backups" ;) |
Very likely...
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11/17/2006 05:14:47 PM · #10 |
| e-mail Adobe with the link and ask them. |
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11/17/2006 05:43:28 PM · #11 |
it looks illegal bc it is.
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11/17/2006 07:00:16 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by Rooster:
it looks illegal bc it is. |
I would not jump to conclusions
from their terms of agreement listed below ther is a possibility this is legit. Basically it could be an "OEM" lisence, all they are really doing is selling you the serial number and allowing you to download am image file of the install CD. This is how people like Dell and Gateway get cheap apps to install. They buy a liscence that is not supported by the manufacturer (IE Windos XP OEM is not supported by MS) they then can buy 1 copy of the software and 100's of lisences at a fraction of the cost. The down side Adobe does not recognise your copy nor do they consider it illegal. It is worth looking into
"2. Basic Conditions of Purchasing at Discounter Online online store
2.1. You are informed that the software is in English language only unless noted differently on the site or by the Support representative;
2.2. You will thoroughly follow the downloading and installation instructions on your account;
2.3. You cannot register the software with the manufacturer and updates are available not for all the products;
2.4. You do not receive printed license documentation;
2.5. You do not receive a copy of the software on a disk.
2.6. The Store will assist the Customer with downloading and installation issues. We will not provide technical support after the software product is downloaded and installed; neither will it be available from the manufacturer of the software product.
2.7. If you purchase any of the products listed below you confirm that you already have or going to purchase or obtain in any other way CD burning software which support the function of creating image disks.
2.8. The Store allows a one time exchange of the ordered product to any other product of the same or lower price in case the software has not been downloaded yet." |
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11/17/2006 07:04:44 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by nemesise1977:
Originally posted by Rooster:
it looks illegal bc it is. |
I would not jump to conclusions
from their terms of agreement listed below ther is a possibility this is legit. Basically it could be an "OEM" lisence, all they are really doing is selling you the serial number and allowing you to download am image file of the install CD. This is how people like Dell and Gateway get cheap apps to install. They buy a liscence that is not supported by the manufacturer (IE Windos XP OEM is not supported by MS) they then can buy 1 copy of the software and 100's of lisences at a fraction of the cost. The down side Adobe does not recognise your copy nor do they consider it illegal. It is worth looking into
"2. Basic Conditions of Purchasing at Discounter Online online store
2.1. You are informed that the software is in English language only unless noted differently on the site or by the Support representative;
2.2. You will thoroughly follow the downloading and installation instructions on your account;
2.3. You cannot register the software with the manufacturer and updates are available not for all the products;
2.4. You do not receive printed license documentation;
2.5. You do not receive a copy of the software on a disk.
2.6. The Store will assist the Customer with downloading and installation issues. We will not provide technical support after the software product is downloaded and installed; neither will it be available from the manufacturer of the software product.
2.7. If you purchase any of the products listed below you confirm that you already have or going to purchase or obtain in any other way CD burning software which support the function of creating image disks.
2.8. The Store allows a one time exchange of the ordered product to any other product of the same or lower price in case the software has not been downloaded yet." |
what exactly about that screams "legal" to you? It's probably actually hosted somewhere offshore, and the registrar is just here in the US. Any company in the US or most of Europe would get sued in a heartbeat.
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11/17/2006 08:04:39 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
what exactly about that screams "legal" to you? It's probably actually hosted somewhere offshore, and the registrar is just here in the US. Any company in the US or most of Europe would get sued in a heartbeat. |
//www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16832102318
Notice sa like windows terminal server 2003 5 liscences $489.99...retail
and thats a supported liscence! But that is also just the paper with a number on it, no docs, no box, no manual.
On newegg youcan also get OEM copies of Win XP for $89.00 for a single copy, you but 100's or 1000's of liscences OEM the price per liscence goes way down, then resell cheap with a mark up for profit.
Hardware manufs do the same thong the sell OEM equip, has no or limited warrenty through them and they usually dont recognise them as their products. Yet they are legal and some times 40% cheaper and there is a way bigger markup on software than there is hardware.
so way this MIGHT be working is this place might own the rights to 1000+ lisences to the app that they bought at say $50.00 each, then they mark it up and give you the image to make your install disk (prolly just the download off adobes web site)
Also Note I didnt say it is liget, just that it might be. |
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11/17/2006 08:10:38 PM · #15 |
| OEM software is licensed to Original Equipment Manufacturers, and never to the general public. I'm pretty sure that the OEM license is not subject to resale, except as an installed value-added component of a piece of equipment, like that Dell computer ... if you are not manufacturing and selling "original equipment" I doubt you have a legal right to use an OEM license. |
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11/18/2006 12:47:37 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
OEM software is licensed to Original Equipment Manufacturers, and never to the general public. I'm pretty sure that the OEM license is not subject to resale, except as an installed value-added component of a piece of equipment, like that Dell computer ... if you are not manufacturing and selling "original equipment" I doubt you have a legal right to use an OEM license. |
Nope there is nothing to stop retailers from selling OEM equipment or software, they just usually don't because most people don't want it, it dosent come in the pretty box with all the books and tech support.
To give an example I used to work for creative labs (sound blaster) We would get calls from people buying hardware from trade shows, online ect and call us for support, when we verified the model number of the product came up as an OEM product we could do nothing for them. Usually they bought the sound card or dvd drive in a plan brown box with a disk of drivers for say a product that retailed for $99.99 the could get the OEM card for with minimal docs and only a driver disk for $40 the only real diff between the 2 products physically was a silk screened number.Beyond that was the softwarethe retail product came with a bundle of games/mp3/or midi software that were actually OEM cheap liscences. But if the reseller has a contract to purchase OEM software or equipment they can sell as to customers.
Check Newegg or amazon.com and you will find OEM copies of win xp..totaly legal, but call MS for support they will ask for your serial number, they hear OEM in it, they say sorry no can help. |
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11/18/2006 02:08:27 AM · #17 |
Two things I dug up.
OEM software is only distributed when sold with specified accompanying hardware. When these programs are copied and/or sold separately from the hardware, it is a violation of the license with the software publisher, and therefore illegal.
Oh ya,
Adobe never offered Acrobat or Photoshop (with the exception of Photoshop Elements) as OEM software, but it is widely available from OEM vendors. So the supposed OEM's are really just Warez.
Message edited by author 2006-11-18 02:12:57. |
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11/18/2006 03:42:31 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by boomtap:
Two things I dug up.
OEM software is only distributed when sold with specified accompanying hardware. When these programs are copied and/or sold separately from the hardware, it is a violation of the license with the software publisher, and therefore illegal.
Oh ya,
Adobe never offered Acrobat or Photoshop (with the exception of Photoshop Elements) as OEM software, but it is widely available from OEM vendors. So the supposed OEM's are really just Warez. |
Think again, there are plenty of legit vendors selling OEM software seprately.
As far as Photoshop never being sold as OEM where did you find that, it is some info I have been looking for.
//www.help2go.com/Tutorials/Buying_Advice/Should_I_buy_the_OEM_version_or_the_Retail_version_of_software%3F.html
read that for more info, also look at New egg and amazon and you can buy OEM products....and they are legit venfors. Now I am not willing to say that the place mentioned here is...I strongly advise caution, thus far I have not found a listing of them with BBB, which dose not go in their favor, I sent an email to their Customer service asking how they offer such a cheap price...will see what they say.
Message edited by author 2006-11-18 04:16:01. |
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11/18/2006 09:40:14 AM · #19 |
| A work acquaintance of mine purchased an OEM version of Photoshop CS about a year ago. It was bundled with an OEM version of Adobe Acrobat 6.0. He got both programs on CD's complete with serial numbers for $95 USD. The package originated in China. He did a Google search for Photoshop OEM and up came a screen full of various software packages. Nowhere on the screen did it ever mention China. Another fried was traveling through Singapore several years ago, and bought a CD-rom of software for $5 USD. On it was a full version of CorelDraw 8, Microsoft Project, etc. Last I checked, these programs cost well in excess of $5. China and other countries in Asia are also heavily into pirating. Are these software apps legal?? Who knows... |
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11/18/2006 09:43:50 AM · #20 |
You can download full versions of Photoshop from Limewire for free at any time. It's probably something like that..only now someone figured out it sounds more legit if you charge a little for it.
A friend of mine was using a downloaded version from Limewire for a year or so without any technical problems. |
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11/18/2006 09:52:07 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by nards656:
I'm not interested in buying the software. I'm interested in whether or not Google has any culpability by advertising for illegal software. I'm pretty doggone sure the software is illegal, and I will probably report this to Adobe on their site.
I think Google has a responsibility to pull these ads if this is indeed outside the normal approved distribution scheme for Adobe. |
Have you reported this to Google? Their ad-approval process is largely automated, I think... either that or someone just goofed.
Odds are if you report it to Google, the ads will be pulled promptly.
~Terry
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11/18/2006 10:02:51 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by nemesise1977:
Originally posted by Rooster:
it looks illegal bc it is. |
I would not jump to conclusions
from their terms of agreement listed below ther is a possibility this is legit. Basically it could be an "OEM" lisence, all they are really doing is selling you the serial number and allowing you to download am image file of the install CD. This is how people like Dell and Gateway get cheap apps to install. They buy a liscence that is not supported by the manufacturer (IE Windos XP OEM is not supported by MS) they then can buy 1 copy of the software and 100's of lisences at a fraction of the cost. The down side Adobe does not recognise your copy nor do they consider it illegal. It is worth looking into
"2. Basic Conditions of Purchasing at Discounter Online online store
2.1. You are informed that the software is in English language only unless noted differently on the site or by the Support representative;
2.2. You will thoroughly follow the downloading and installation instructions on your account;
2.3. You cannot register the software with the manufacturer and updates are available not for all the products;
2.4. You do not receive printed license documentation;
2.5. You do not receive a copy of the software on a disk.
2.6. The Store will assist the Customer with downloading and installation issues. We will not provide technical support after the software product is downloaded and installed; neither will it be available from the manufacturer of the software product.
2.7. If you purchase any of the products listed below you confirm that you already have or going to purchase or obtain in any other way CD burning software which support the function of creating image disks.
2.8. The Store allows a one time exchange of the ordered product to any other product of the same or lower price in case the software has not been downloaded yet." |
Adobe does not offer an OEM version of Adobe Photoshop CS2.
In addition, vendors selling OEM-licensed software are almost always required by their contracts with the software vendor to only sell OEM software in conjunction with "hardware" sales. The fact that some less-reputable vendors ignore this provision is not evidence that these terms do not exist. If you go to a computer show, the reputable vendors will explain this and confirm to the letter of the agreement, at least -- "hardware" is vague and they will gladly sell you all the OEM software you want as soon as you buy a $5 mouse -- I think I even got away with buying a power cord one for a nominal amount.
Even in the case of OEM software, however, software updates are available from the manufacturer. Consider, for example, the copy of Windows that probably came pre-installed on your PC. Even though you need to go to the PC manufacturer, rather than Microsoft, for support, you still had the option to register the software itself with Microsoft, and Windows Update still works (in fact, my computer is bugging me to reboot to complete an Automatic Updates installation as I type this).
The fact that no software updates are available from the manufacturer, coupled with the fact that no OEM versiono of CS2 exists, makes it a slam-dunk that this is illegal.
~Terry
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11/18/2006 11:53:00 AM · #23 |
that doesn't mean it is a legal version of the software... so not only would he be downloading pirated copies of the software - he then turns around and sells them to someone who is afraid to use pirated software. what a guy !!
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
You can download full versions of Photoshop from Limewire for free at any time. It's probably something like that..only now someone figured out it sounds more legit if you charge a little for it.
A friend of mine was using a downloaded version from Limewire for a year or so without any technical problems. |
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