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10/30/2006 03:18:52 PM · #1 |
Hello all!
A model has recently asked me to do a shoot with her, shes 17 years old. I'm familiar with the laws regulating photographing under 18's, bascially being anything 'provocative' being a big no no. Fair enough, all good stuff.
As part of our shoot, the model has asked if I can take some 'couply' pics of her and her boyfriend.. again, not an issue for me. I asked her what type of pictures she was looking for and she sent me some examples, which were mainly lifestyle type shots, but also included one picture of a couple looking like they were about to kiss.
Now, am I being a bit too overcautious here (I mean.. I don't think you can be too overcautious when it comes to this) but I don't know where I stand on this. I certainly didn't find what she was asking for to be a provocative image, but the world doesn't turn according to my standards. I just wanted to know if anyone else has faced this issue, and what people think?
I'm thinking I'll just do the shoot but steer it away from any shots like this which are a bit of a gray area to me.
Thanks for your help guys!
Carl |
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10/30/2006 03:30:17 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by Ceefore:
Now, am I being a bit too overcautious here (I mean.. I don't think you can be too overcautious when it comes to this) but I don't know where I stand on this. I certainly didn't find what she was asking for to be a provocative image, but the world doesn't turn according to my standards. I just wanted to know if anyone else has faced this issue, and what people think? |
Unfortunately, in this day and age, where kneejerk reactionizm seems to be the politically correct way of dealing with anything that might ruffle a few feathers, being overcautious has become a necessary survival trait.
Originally posted by Ceefore:
I'm thinking I'll just do the shoot but steer it away from any shots like this which are a bit of a gray area to me. |
That's probably the wise move. With an underage girl it's a good idea to have a chaperone (or three) as well.
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10/30/2006 03:35:38 PM · #3 |
I think the same laws apply in the UK as in Iceland, you can photograph anything exept breast and genitalia...
so you can photograph teenagers in bikini and underwear, as long as they are NOT posing in a sexual way, but pictures like underwear ads in Quelle are ok.
as for teenagers kissing that is ok to, why wouldn't it be ok for teenagers to kiss, kids are rased with the act of kissing as a perfectly natural thing, and a kiss goodbye is expected from them for the better part of their childhood.
and to photograph acts that are natural is just as natural, but keep in mind, it's all about approach and display...
a picture of a teenager in underwear is natural and ok in Quelle, but not on a pornsite ;) |
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10/30/2006 03:58:19 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by DanSig:
as for teenagers kissing that is ok to, why wouldn't it be ok for teenagers to kiss, kids are rased with the act of kissing as a perfectly natural thing, and a kiss goodbye is expected from them for the better part of their childhood. |
Hi DanSig.. I see where your coming from with this and agree with you, but I think the type of kiss in question isn't so much of a 'peck on the cheek' kiss.. so to speak ;)
Originally posted by DanSig:
a picture of a teenager in underwear is natural and ok in Quelle, but not on a pornsite ;) |
Yes indeed.. I think the worry comes from the fact that, should I get challenged on this issue, I know the images aren't for a pornsite or anythng like this - but how would anyone else know? Trust seems something that there isn't a lot of these days, and in this case I'd rather rely on laws to govern my decision... but when the law is something as vague as 'provocative' then I start to worry and indeed err on the side of caution.
Thanks for your comments everyone - I realise this is a somewhat contensious issue! |
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10/30/2006 04:01:41 PM · #5 |
| If you were really concerned then get a parents signature stating they are happy for her to do this. Though at 17 she is actually legal to be a page 3 model as far as i know (infact i think for topless modelling i think the age is infact 16 or at least it was a while ago). |
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10/30/2006 04:19:57 PM · #6 |
another funny thing is.. you can take a picture of your child bathing and playing in the nude, you can even take pictures of girls topless playing in the street, wich is very natural, but as soon as they start puberty it becomes illegal an obscene to take pictures of them...
what have the world become when bare skin offends people and nudity in the most innocent form becomes obscene.
then if we go to warmer climates like in India, naked kids are everywhere, girls don't hide their breasts just to hide them, they only start covering them when they become a weight issue, because seethrough bra's aren't that common..... at least not in India.
we should not live our lives to suit the perverts and the degenerate biggots everywhere, we should live our live free from restrictions that come from degenerate religious leaders and politicians and let our common sense be the judge of what is right and what isn't.
I have 2 small kids, 5yr boy and 3yr girl, and they can play in the nude as much as they want (indoors), as long as it's warm enough, I wouldn't want to deprive them of the freedom of being naked, at least not while the their minds are innocent enough to not know anything about sex and sexual behaviours.
I will not let the fact that childmolestors do excist have ANY say in how I raise my kids, they will be raised with the thought that they are safe and nothing bad can happen... and I will just do my best to keep it so.
enough rambling.... |
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10/30/2006 04:28:20 PM · #7 |
Hi mamba,
Yeah thats prob a good idea, I might ask for a release from her mother. Thanks.
Also, the minimum age for topless is now 18 - think this was changed fairly recently, though this doesn't really have much of an affect on my work as I do mainly fashion photography.
Thanks again folks. |
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10/30/2006 04:51:52 PM · #8 |
Most standard model releases have the line for parents if under 18, this will make it easy for her to explain (and you too)
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10/31/2006 09:35:52 AM · #9 |
How about you get one of the girl's parents to be a chaperone (and one of the boy's too, if he's 17 as well)?
Anything that the two of them are willing to do in front of a parent should be safe to photograph! :)
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