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08/14/2006 07:47:59 PM · #1
If you've used one or the other, or ideally, both, what are your opinions on it? I am getting either one or the other, I'm just trying to decide whether or not I should splurge the extra couple hundred for a 7D. I have the money to spend either way, and if I end up going with the 5D I'll just put the extra money towards other, non-camera stuff. I am just planning on getting the body.

And, yes, I know KM isn't making them anymore, and yes, I know Sony's camera mounts the same lenses. I am firm in wanting either the Maxxum 5D or 7D.

Any input will be appreciated, thank you :)
08/14/2006 08:24:47 PM · #2
I have the 7D. I love all the control knobs and dials on the camera body. Makes changing settings a breeze. My only minor complaint is that when I have the camera hanging over my shoulder, a setting may inadvertantly get changed if it brushes against my body hard enough. But it doesn't happen very often as most of the dials and switches are pretty tight.

Picture quality is excellent, body build is solid. Anti-shake works great. Great camera, especially for the price you can get one for now.
08/14/2006 08:38:51 PM · #3
If you have a choice, definately the 7d. I have the 7d, my friend, the 5d and I have a terrible time trying to use her camera. I was trying to get her to bracket her shots but we couldn't figure out how to do it. On the 7d, it's a convenient dial. The 7d is also has a more durable body. I nearly had a heart attack two weeks ago when my camera fell out of my unzipped camera bag onto the asphalt and I was so lucky and happy that the only damage was to the plastic protective cover over the LCD display.
08/14/2006 08:52:34 PM · #4
Originally posted by fluxn:

I have the 7D. I love all the control knobs and dials on the camera body. Makes changing settings a breeze. My only minor complaint is that when I have the camera hanging over my shoulder, a setting may inadvertantly get changed if it brushes against my body hard enough. But it doesn't happen very often as most of the dials and switches are pretty tight.

Picture quality is excellent, body build is solid. Anti-shake works great. Great camera, especially for the price you can get one for now.

Basically, the 5D and the 7D are the same camera, but the 5D is smaller. I would go to a store and hold them both to see which ismore comfortable. I also use the 7D also. I agree with fluxn's review, though I've never had any settings change on me. I will add the LCD is kind of hard to see in bright light (though I would imagine most cameras are the same). Taking off the protector helps.
08/14/2006 10:04:28 PM · #5
7D is better built, heftier, faster, has a better LCD/viewfinder and obviously has better controls. It would definitely be my choice if it weren't for the problems that seem to come up with them (back/frontfocus, AS errors, etc.), although on the whole they seem to be fairly reliable.
08/14/2006 10:12:13 PM · #6
I looked into this for a friend a little while ago. I seem to recall that the biggest difference for his set of desired features was the slow startup.

I think the 5D has an instant or near-instant on, but the 7D is still a bit longer...

Can anyone comment on delays? (if you want to measure this, turn the camera off, press the shutter button all the way with everything in manual and while holding the button, turn the camera to on.)

Oh yeah, I should also mention that I saw a 7D new for less than a 5D new at some other places a little while back. I almost got it.

Message edited by author 2006-08-14 22:12:57.
08/14/2006 11:37:40 PM · #7
Originally posted by eschelar:

I think the 5D has an instant or near-instant on, but the 7D is still a bit longer...

I don't have a timer, but best guess....1.5 sec? Try it at a store.
08/14/2006 11:41:42 PM · #8
I have (had) a 5D and pretty happy with it it does have bracketing in the menu pretty easy to find it has all the controls you need and is a nippy lottle camera I can reccomend it .

Message edited by author 2006-08-14 23:42:31.
08/15/2006 12:33:23 AM · #9
I love my 5D :-) It was the perfect choice for me! Just the right amount of camera in my hands, and at a good price to boot!! I've even found plenty of Minolta lenses still on eBay, so I don't have any worries about lenses (not to mention the new Sony ones!).

But the best advice has already been mentioned, and was given to me as well: Go hold the camera in your hands if you can. If that's not an option, I can tell you that the 5D feels much like the Olympus E-300. So, it's a little bit bigger than the Canon Rebel XT, which felt too small for me. Or it's fairly comparable in size to the Nikon D50....at least to me :-)
08/15/2006 08:30:52 AM · #10
I haven't handled a 7D so can't compare them, but I've certainly been happy with my 5D. I believe the 5D starts up a little quicker but the 7D is slightly ahead on some other specs. Having the chance to handle them both could be worthwhile... in my case I couldn't justify the cost of a 7D to myself so waited until the first post-Christmas special on the 5D to get one.

My main comment is that I think it's fine to be considering buying a 5D or a 7D now - I imagine the prices for both are rather good. I saw a friend tonight who told me he had just purchased a 5D - unlike me, he did NOT have a previous investment in Minolta lenses and accessories, so he was simply choosing it on price and capabilities. He paid only slightly more than half what I paid for mine eight months ago (and mine was on sale!) - lucky him (and, I assume, lucky you)!
08/15/2006 08:38:41 AM · #11
i thought kinica is withdrawing from th market ? ..
08/15/2006 08:39:36 AM · #12
7D is built like a tank. 5D is lighter. Go for whichever is more important.
08/15/2006 08:57:19 AM · #13
Originally posted by rami:

i thought kinica is withdrawing from th market ? ..


they got bought by sony

sony released their Alpha A-100 which uses a KM mount and rebranded KM lenses. Sony and Carl Ziess will be releasing more lenses for the camera so i would expect them to be backwards compatable.

edit: fat fingers

Message edited by author 2006-08-15 08:57:53.
08/15/2006 09:24:56 AM · #14
thanks for all the input, everyone. i really do want to go to a store and hold both just to see how they each feel, but i don't know of any stores around here that have or would have any still in stock (anyone in pittsburgh want to disprove this?). i'm probably just going to eBay a body...i already have a 5000i and a couple of lenses for it, so i feel justified enough in going with the 7D and i'm used to a large, heavy camera sitting in my hands. i'd rather have a camera that can take a beating over a camera that's smaller and lighter...i've got a peashooter for that :)

okay, back to eBay for me!
08/15/2006 11:25:46 PM · #15
Originally posted by rami:

i thought kinica is withdrawing from th market ? ..


Just because a company withdraws from the market, doesn't mean that their cameras suck or that they are no longer available.

Unsold goods and EBay still work.
08/16/2006 01:10:54 AM · #16
Originally posted by modgethanc:

thanks for all the input, everyone. i really do want to go to a store and hold both just to see how they each feel, but i don't know of any stores around here that have or would have any still in stock (anyone in pittsburgh want to disprove this?). i'm probably just going to eBay a body...i already have a 5000i and a couple of lenses for it, so i feel justified enough in going with the 7D and i'm used to a large, heavy camera sitting in my hands. i'd rather have a camera that can take a beating over a camera that's smaller and lighter...i've got a peashooter for that :)

okay, back to eBay for me!


Best of luck on your bidding!!! Can't wait to welcome you to the KM familiy :-)
08/16/2006 01:42:28 AM · #17
Originally posted by ladyhawk22:

Best of luck on your bidding!!! Can't wait to welcome you to the KM familiy :-)


Hey, I already have a Minolta Maxxum, it's just not digital :p

If all things work out I might have it by next week.
08/16/2006 03:27:09 AM · #18
If you are leaning toward the 5D, take a look at the Sony A100. It's basically a 10 mpx 5D. But I'm not sure where the pricing is right now.
08/16/2006 07:06:56 AM · #19
Originally posted by joanns:

If you are leaning toward the 5D, take a look at the Sony A100. It's basically a 10 mpx 5D. But I'm not sure where the pricing is right now.

A100 is $999, 5D is getting harder to find, but it's around $730.

I also don't want to confuse or change your mind, but lenses from 3rd parties are getting harder to find. The following lenses....right now....are impossible to get:
1. Sigma 50-500 (either version)
2. Sigma 10-20 f/4-5.6 EX
3. Sigma 15-30 f/3.5-4.5 (B&H still has them)
I called Sigma to find out when these will be more available. Their not even sure, but they will probably be renamed for the Sony, which uses the same lens mount.

The following are still easy to come by:
1. Primes (though most of the Sigma primes have macro capability)
2. Macros (105 and 180)
3. Long zooms (70-200, 130-400, etc)
4. Some wide zooms (Sigma 12-24, Tamron 11-18)

Though Sigma's website shows new lenses being made like the 70mm f/2.8 Macro.
08/16/2006 07:31:10 AM · #20
Mr Ed, it sounds like things are just in transition and they are merely letting stock run through before making more of a particular part...

I wouldn't worry about the long term availability of lenses...

The 50mm f/1.7 has been impossible to find around here for ages. I've sold a handful of those cameras via word of mouth and the last couple of KM mount cams couldn't get the lenses wanted...

That was OK because those people didn't have a clue but...

I saw the 5D for like $550 USD equivalent new a couple of months back...
08/16/2006 07:51:46 AM · #21
Originally posted by eschelar:

I wouldn't worry about the long term availability of lenses...

The 50mm f/1.7 has been impossible to find around here for ages. I've sold a handful of those cameras via word of mouth and the last couple of KM mount cams couldn't get the lenses wanted...

I'm not, once I get my 15-30 I'll be more or less set....except for a prime, which the KM 50 1.7 are now showing up on EBay one after another, selling for $85-$100 (used). Probably due to the fact the Sony 50mm 1.4 is selling for about $360. So, people that hung onto them are trying to cash in.
08/16/2006 09:05:50 AM · #22
I saw a 5D go on eBay for under $470 before shipping...anyway, since Sony's A100 has the same mount for lenses I'm not worried at all about a lack of them. And considering after buying this body I'll be pretty much out of frivolous money, I don't anticipate picking up any new lenses for at least another six months.

Anyway, for no other reason besides te fact that a.) I enjoy having obsolete equipment and b.) I already have a Maxxum and I honestly wouldn't want to use another SLR at the moment, I'm about 98% sure I'm not going to get the A100. I thought about it at one point, but suddenly the idea of my dSLR sharing the same brand as my video game console bothered me a little bit :D

ETA: Also, the 7D takes CF cards, right? I've already got one for my Powershot anyway, I could totally hold off getting a bigger one for quite some time (at least until my cash flow builds up a little more [hey, anyone in pittsburgh wanna hire a freelance photographer? :D])

ETA2: Okay, guys, I just bought and paid for one, and supposedly it will ship before Friday. ican'twaitican'twait :DDDDD

Message edited by author 2006-08-16 09:35:10.
08/16/2006 09:46:09 AM · #23
SWEET!

CF cards are used in the KM 5D, 7D and A100.

1GB and 2GB cards can be had for 30-50 bucks... 4GB cards are only a little over 100 bucks USD around here. (taiwan)

I own a 4GB and when I shoot RAW, it's not really enough...

If I had an extra hundred USD, I'd probably go for another 4GB card.

Message edited by author 2006-08-16 09:48:07.
08/16/2006 10:18:22 AM · #24
well, i've got a cardreader and laptop with me most of the time anyway...i will probably pick up a 4gb before winter, though. or ask for one for christmas :D
08/16/2006 11:20:17 AM · #25
Congrats!! Show us what you shoot the first day it arrives :-)
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