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07/14/2006 12:39:43 PM · #101
I wouldn't worry much about the acid in the soda. The single greatest factor in most sodas is the sugar. And that stuff will wreak havoc on the old insulin glycogon balance (sorry if I spelled it wrong, it's bedtime). The next is usually the coloring agent.

As mentioned before, if the acid was a serious problem, you would probably notice... straight lemons are more acidic than coke.

The form of phosphorous that is in the phosphoric acid is under some debate... as to its harmful or non-harmful effects, I wouldn't worry too much about them.

You would need to do some pretty serious testing to figure out how the body treated it anyhow... Such testing has been done, but the most impartial stuff is probably well under wraps at the Coca Cola corporations HQ... :)

Sensitivities to the dyes used in soft drinks is a VERY common source of general malaise if it occurs immediately after drinking it, or if it occurs a few hours later. If the 'downer' occurs around 20 minutes later, it's probably a sugar crash. Particularly if this is an effect of having pop regardless of the flavor/brand.

The bloodstream has taken in sooo much sugar (after the very rapid assimilation of the sugars from the soft drink) that it has used insulin to bring the body down. The insulin slows your system down, and you feel it because the body releases a lot of it in response to the massive intake of sugar.

That's pretty normal stuff. Not terribly good for your body either.

Another little trick that soft drink makers use is to add caffeine to drinks that don't look like the should have caffeine in them.

You might be surprised how much caffeine you really were taking in.

The only thing in your list that didn't appear as though it could be caffeine linked to my eye was the weight gain.

That could easily be linked to other effects of drinking soft drinks, such as increased thirst (and drinking something else to quench it) and possibly sugar cravings (not always identified by you as being a sugar craving... a craving for a sandwich which isn't sweet by typical definition can qualify due to the fact that the body is aware of rich carbohydrate foods).
07/14/2006 12:48:59 PM · #102
Originally posted by rebs138:

PLEASE- just because something is "natural" don't assume it is safe. Whether it is natural or unnatural... it really makes no difference. The chemistry of every substance has its own interactions- the source of such a chemical is irrelevant.-Holland

While getting peoples medication list (work in the ER) I ask about "natural" stuff, also. People take alot of these herbs and vitamins and have no idea what they do, or are really for. They always give me the "it's natural, so it is ok." I always reply, Foxglove is natural also, wanna chew up and swallow a few leaves of that?
Almost all drugs are derived from a natural source, by the way, they are just put together synthetically now.
Foxglove is digoxin, a medication to help treat atrial fibrillation.
07/14/2006 12:50:01 PM · #103
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by blindjustice:

you think aspartame is bad; try what sugar will do to you.


I strive to keep my weight in control, because diabetes runs in my mom's side of the family. My grandmother died last year from complications with her diabetes. Soooo, I'm very aware that my sugar intake should be kept in check.

However, I've quit taking in aspartane, and actually feel a lot better than I had been feeling, which could be a placebo effect, but none-the-less, I feel better :-)


I am not suprised by your findings about aspartame. I have a friend that owns a health food shop and she gave me some of the info already. Our diet is so important to how we feel and how our body works. I have been dealing with a weight problem myself. I have bad allergies and I had a doc. that pumped me full of steroids and caused me to gain a lot of weight I now have a new Doc. but there are other dammages the med has done to my body. I am on the 6 week body make over plan and have lost over 10 lbs. Lo Salt, no Suger and no processed foods that is nothing fast food (you want to get freeked out watch "Supersize This") nothing from a can full of salt and other crap. It is just not easy to be healthly in the world we live in.
My brother has the same eye condition that you do. It has been hard for him, dirving is a must for people living where we do an his licens is restricted to 45mph and daylight only. You have the added problem of diabetes and this can effect your eyes too. I would hope there is a good Doc. you can work with to keep your eyes in good shape.
I'm glad I saw this post, I didn't know how bad the aspartame is for your eyes. I like to put some in my tea once and awhile, I think now is the time to stop. Good luck CB
07/14/2006 12:58:28 PM · #104
Originally posted by greatandsmall:

Some diet sodas even turn into benzene under the right circumstances (partially due to the aspartame).


Bzzzt. Only partially right. Benzene has been found in sodas, but it came from a reaction of ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) and sodium benzoate. aspartame had nothing to do with it.
07/14/2006 01:04:28 PM · #105
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by greatandsmall:

Some diet sodas even turn into benzene under the right circumstances (partially due to the aspartame).


Bzzzt. Only partially right. Benzene has been found in sodas, but it came from a reaction of ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) and sodium benzoate. aspartame had nothing to do with it.


Ooops, my bad. I almost looked it up and posted a link. Sorry for being sloppy with my information.
07/14/2006 01:07:41 PM · #106
Originally posted by eschelar:

I wouldn't worry much about the acid in the soda. The single greatest factor in most sodas is the sugar. And that stuff will wreak havoc on the old insulin glycogon balance (sorry if I spelled it wrong, it's bedtime). The next is usually the coloring agent.

As mentioned before, if the acid was a serious problem, you would probably notice... straight lemons are more acidic than coke.



I'm an anomaly. Lemon water, sodas and coffee give me an acid stomach and cause acid related bladder problems. I assume this because if I drink a bit of baking soda water the symptoms are immediately alleviated. Also test out as a 4 on urine pH strips after consuming acidic beverages. 6 is normal (I think...waiting for validation from DrAchoo).
07/14/2006 01:46:37 PM · #107
4 is a pretty acidic pH for human urine -- 5 or 6 (or even up to 8) would be more normal. Slightly acidic urine (pH 5-6) is considered healthy as it helps create an inhospitable environment for most bacteria, reducing the likelihood of getting a urinary tract infection.
07/14/2006 01:48:13 PM · #108
Originally posted by GeneralE:

4 is a pretty acidic pH for human urine -- 5 or 6 (or even up to 8) would be more normal. Slightly acidic urine (pH 5-6) is considered healthy as it helps create an inhospitable environment for most bacteria, reducing the likelihood of getting a urinary tract infection.


Yeah, it's pretty painful, too. None of my doctors seemed to have concern, though.
07/14/2006 01:53:14 PM · #109
Originally posted by rebs138:


PLEASE- just because something is "natural" don't assume it is safe.



I don't.
07/15/2006 05:23:31 AM · #110
Originally posted by greatandsmall:

Originally posted by eschelar:

I wouldn't worry much about the acid in the soda. The single greatest factor in most sodas is the sugar. And that stuff will wreak havoc on the old insulin glycogon balance (sorry if I spelled it wrong, it's bedtime). The next is usually the coloring agent.

As mentioned before, if the acid was a serious problem, you would probably notice... straight lemons are more acidic than coke.



I'm an anomaly. Lemon water, sodas and coffee give me an acid stomach and cause acid related bladder problems. I assume this because if I drink a bit of baking soda water the symptoms are immediately alleviated. Also test out as a 4 on urine pH strips after consuming acidic beverages. 6 is normal (I think...waiting for validation from DrAchoo).


Just a small note that acid stomach is not the same as an acid body.

Acid is quite normal in the stomach.

Lemon water doesn't contain much of the lemon beyond the juice, so it could easily be contributing to an imbalance somewhere in the stomach.

Your imbalance in the urinary tract may or may not be related to dietary acid intake though...
07/15/2006 09:59:35 AM · #111
I don't know, but when I drink coffee or a soda it shows up as increased acidity on the test strips within a few minutes. Haven't tested this since I changed my diet; I suppose the correlation could be with the blood sugar issue.

Anyway, didn't mean to take this thread off track. Only that, anecdotally speaking, soda makes me feel ill in a variety of ways, aspartame or no.

Message edited by author 2006-07-15 09:59:59.
07/15/2006 09:58:08 PM · #112
I don't know if this applies, but I read an interesting article around 6 years ago that suggested that freshly brewed coffee from freshly ground beans (within 20 minutes) had an alkalizing effect, but after that, it starts to have more of an acidifying effect.

Sadly, I can't quite recall where the acidity was...

Read up on uric acid levels. Something is tickling my brain about their being a relation to arthritis and gall stones... Sorry, I'm a bit rusty as I've been out of the field for a few years...
07/15/2006 10:53:55 PM · #113
Thanks Keiran. That's interesting stuff. I did read up on it a while back and was quickly overwhelmed. Hopefully, I'll, soon, have the type of insurance that covers extensive testing; so that I can figure it out. It's gotten much better lately, though. I avoid soda at all costs.
07/15/2006 11:13:37 PM · #114
I've found out that fruit juice is a goood laxitive ... LOL
07/15/2006 11:16:19 PM · #115
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

I've found out that fruit juice is a goood laxitive ... LOL


Congratulations...I hope? Just stay out of elevators.

I've found out that we've gotten to know quite a bit about each other in this thread;)

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