Voting Options - DPChallenge Forums

01/19/2006 06:06:32 AM · #1

While going through the voting process, I find that I don't necessarily want to vote in the sequential way the site currently provides for. I would like to be able to vote on a photo and then go back to the remaining entries and choose the next one I want to vote on. Sometimes I just don't have to time to vote on every pic in the challenge, but would like to go through and vote on the pics that grab my fancy. How about a an icon on the voting page that will allow one to go directly back to the remaining entries?

sherpet

Canon EF 28-135mm F/3.5-5.6 IS USM

01/19/2006 06:22:36 AM · #2

What about the images one cannot see, in amongst the thumb-nails that one can see, or am I the only one that has some of the images blocked.

I then have to double click on he title to bring up the image. Would these images be missed if we did it the way you are suggesting...please advise.....

Originally posted by sajin:

mycelium

Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM

01/19/2006 06:40:39 AM · #3

Originally posted by sajin:

can you not simply click the challenge name, below the image title?

01/19/2006 07:23:59 AM · #4

Damon, thanks! You've done it for me. I should have seen that. Guess I've just had a long day and seeing a bit cross-eyed at the moment!

notonline

01/19/2006 07:24:10 AM · #5

Isn't your suggestion kinda like saying you only want to vote on the highest ranked images and not bother with the lesser???

Fujifilm XF 18-55mm f/2.8-4 OIS

01/19/2006 07:26:28 AM · #6

I think the voting system is designed so that every picture gets the same amount of votes, if you selected to vote only on the images that grab you, then the voting wouldn't be fair. Plus a thumbnail can give a completly differnt impression from the full picture.

docpjv

Fujifilm X-E1

01/19/2006 07:28:27 AM · #7

Originally posted by notonline:

Isn't your suggestion kinda like saying you only want to vote on the highest ranked images and not bother with the lesser???

Sort of his choice isn't it? We all have our own styles and, thank heavens, the freedom to do what we feel right for us. Glad it worked out for you, I also learned something today that will make my 2nd/3rd screening so much easier!

docpjv

Fujifilm X-E1

Fujifilm XF 18-55mm f/2.8-4 OIS

01/19/2006 07:29:47 AM · #8

Originally posted by bluenova:

The fact that you only have to vote on 20% is already inherently 'unfair'.

01/19/2006 07:30:45 AM · #9

Originally posted by gibun:

Originally posted by bluenova:
I think the voting system is designed so that every picture gets the same amount of votes, if you selected to vote only on the images that grab you, then the voting wouldn't be fair. Plus a thumbnail can give a completly differnt impression from the full picture.

The fact that you only have to vote on 20% is already inherently 'unfair'.

No, because if you vote on the first 20% you are given, then somebody else will be given a differnt 20% so that the same amount of votes end up on all pictures.

Fujifilm XF 18-55mm f/2.8-4 OIS

01/19/2006 07:32:33 AM · #10

The system is not designed so that every pic get's the same amount of votes due to the simple fact that you only HAVE to vote on 20% of the pics to qualify your entry. You might also have noticed that during voting your pic often gets more views than it does votes. Not every pic in a challenge gets the same amount of votes.

Sometimes I just don't have the time to vote on every single pic in a challenge - whether I have entered it or not, but I do like to go through and vote on the ones that appeal to me. In the same way that I don't give the same vote to every pic, I also don't vote on every pic.

docpjv

Fujifilm X-E1

01/19/2006 07:34:31 AM · #11

bluenova, only in theory... I imagine it is imposible to ensure an equal distribution and vote in any random system. What, for example if I consistently vot on 100% but Mr X only on his first 20%...?

IceRock

Canon EOS-20D

01/19/2006 07:38:29 AM · #12

So what you are saying bad picture not worth voting on hmmmmmm, sound like a american style , this thinking is also rushing in to new thinking icelanders

" You only get it if you earn it "

Originally posted by sajin:

Message edited by author 2006-01-19 07:49:05.

01/19/2006 07:39:15 AM · #13

Originally posted by gibun:

bluenova, only in theory... I imagine it is imposible to ensure an equal distribution and vote in any random system. What, for example if I consistently vot on 100% but Mr X only on his first 20%...?

I agree, but it is not a random system, if you vote in the order the pictures are given to you, you are given a set of pictures with the lowest amount of votes, to try and distribute the voting. So if 5 people vote 100% then fine, but if 3 people only vote on 20% of 400 pictures, then the first person will be vote on 100-199 the 2nd 200-299 the 3rd 300-400 giving an even distribution of votes. Which is why it's better to vote on the pictures given to you if you are not going to vote on 100%.

:EDIT: LOL, ok so my maths doesn't add up but you get the picture.

Message edited by author 2006-01-19 07:52:28.

notonline

01/19/2006 07:59:06 AM · #14

Originally posted by gibun:

Originally posted by notonline:
Isn't your suggestion kinda like saying you only want to vote on the highest ranked images and not bother with the lesser???

Sort of his choice isn't it? We all have our own styles and, thank heavens, the freedom to do what we feel right for us. Glad it worked out for you, I also learned something today that will make my 2nd/3rd screening so much easier!

What did you learn today???

Bebe

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

01/19/2006 08:15:20 AM · #15

Originally posted by bluenova:

[quote=gibun] ... but it is not a random system, if you vote in the order the pictures are given to you, you are given a set of pictures with the lowest amount of votes, to try and distribute the voting ...

SC - is this true? I thought that everyone received a completely random order.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

01/19/2006 08:46:15 AM · #16

Originally posted by Bebe:

Originally posted by bluenova:
[quote=gibun] ... but it is not a random system, if you vote in the order the pictures are given to you, you are given a set of pictures with the lowest amount of votes, to try and distribute the voting ...

SC - is this true? I thought that everyone received a completely random order.

No -- see this thread.

Also, bluenova is correct -- such "cherry-picking" from the thumbnails page gives an unfair advantage to photos which look good in the thumbnail-sized representation, which is often not a reflection of the photo's true attributes. It's not "illegal," but I personally discourage it whenever possible.

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

01/19/2006 08:56:22 AM · #17

Can't open that link, but I thought I read in a previous topic simlar to this that it works that way.

elemess

Canon EOS-20D

01/19/2006 09:43:33 AM · #18

The link goes to a members-only thread.

Here's the pertinent entry:

Originally posted by coolhar:

I think that a different random order is given to each voter but that it does not change for the individual voter once given. Part of the reason for this is to attempt to get nearly the same amount of exposure for each of the entrants.

Here's a link to the FAQ from that thread:
//www.dpchallenge.com/help_faq.php#order

Canon EF 300mm f/2.8L IS USM

01/19/2006 10:05:56 AM · #19

Thanks for that elemess. I'll look to upgrading after I'm satisfied DPC will help me learn. Sorry for the confusion, I'm sure I read that it was like that, guess not.

Skip

Canon EOS-1D X

01/19/2006 10:13:00 AM · #20

Originally posted by bluenova:

I'll look to upgrading after I'm satisfied DPC will help me learn.

it will help. a year ago i coudnt eben spel fotografer, now i are one

;-)

elemess

Canon EOS-20D

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

01/19/2006 10:19:54 AM · #21

Originally posted by bluenova:

Thanks for that elemess. I'll look to upgrading after I'm satisfied DPC will help me learn. Sorry for the confusion, I'm sure I read that it was like that, guess not.

Sure thing. I've been here a while now; not sure I'm any better, but I'm enjoying myself a lot more.

nards656

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

Tamron SP AF 24-135mm f/3.5-5.6 AD Aspherical IF for Canon

01/19/2006 11:09:30 AM · #22

Originally posted by sajin:

I would like to join ranks with those who strongly DISCOURAGE this method of voting. The site programming attempts to equalize the voting by spreading everyone's 20% out through the entire list of entries. Yes, you MAY vote in the way you describe, but it does disrupt the statistical efforts of the site programming. Please don't expect the site to make it MORE convenient for you to do something that is contradictory to the desired voting method. Thumbnail voting is highly discouraged here, and there have even been discussions of ways to make it impossible.

01/19/2006 11:25:34 AM · #23

What I would like to see (just my opinion) is that you have to vote on at least 20% before you can see the thumbnails. The reason being is after I've voted on all the pictures in the order given by the system. I then go back a couple of days later and look at my 7's,8's and 9's to see if any should go up or down a place.

KaDi

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

01/19/2006 11:36:30 AM · #24

Originally posted by bluenova:

What I would like to see (just my opinion) is that you have to vote on at least 20% before you can see the thumbnails.

I feel the same way but I doubt the cherry-picking practice is so rampant that such a forced system is truly necessary. Anyone can vote 20% before they cherry-pick the images to see what appeals to them. Personally, I typically view all the images once without voting, vote during a second trip through and comment after my votes have been placed for all the images. I am, however, voting on the first (random-order) pass in the Best of 2005 due to the shear number of entries and time-constraints.