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03/19/2003 08:59:14 PM · #1 |
What do you guys do when a submission is found to be invalid after the contest is already over?
If anyone cares here is the entry.
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=13039
The comment I left says it all. |
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03/19/2003 09:45:21 PM · #2 |
You are so very correct. Here is an article from the Washington Post for that very day:
Susan Levine Washington Post Staff Writer
February 19, 2003; Page A1
Section: A Section
Word Count: 1519
Despite the round-the-clock assault on roads by a vast army of snowplows, life across the region will stay disrupted and frustrating today, with most schools again closed and many neighborhood streets still blocked by daunting banks of white. The federal government will open for business, as will local governments, though officials are bracing for huge bottlenecks on major roadways and urging workers to carpool or use public transit. Veteran WTOP traffic reporter Bob Marbourg predicted.
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03/19/2003 10:09:49 PM · #3 |
| The only thing DPC could maybe do/implement is something that reads the EXIF info (the dates) from the .jpg when it's submitted and then make sure the creation date falls within the submission date range of the challenge. And if the EXIF data is missing or corrupted, it could reject the submission. |
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03/19/2003 10:10:54 PM · #4 |
| Feel sad, I enjoyed the image - too bad. |
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03/19/2003 10:20:11 PM · #5 |
I think that there are 7 days after the end of a challenge to request DQ and to DQ a photo, with the exception of challenge winners. I am not 100% positive about this, and something MAY still be able to be done. I'll make sure that Drew or Langdon check this out, and see what other site council think. Thanks for drawing this to our attention.
~Heather~
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03/19/2003 10:21:49 PM · #6 |
I think it's ashame that some people refuse to play by the rules...
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03/19/2003 10:38:50 PM · #7 |
| I see that this person is a brand new participant at DPC. Perhaps, a warning and some further education on the rules is a better approach as this is their first submission? |
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03/19/2003 10:42:42 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Morgan:
I see that this person is a brand new participant at DPC. Perhaps, a warning and some further education on the rules is a better approach as this is their first submission? |
"BURN THE WITCH!!" - Holy Grail |
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03/19/2003 10:44:55 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by achiral:
Originally posted by Morgan:
I see that this person is a brand new participant at DPC. Perhaps, a warning and some further education on the rules is a better approach as this is their first submission? |
"BURN THE WITCH!!" - Holy Grail |
And then, that is another way to go.... |
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03/19/2003 11:05:15 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
The only thing DPC could maybe do/implement is something that reads the EXIF info (the dates) from the .jpg when it's submitted and then make sure the creation date falls within the submission date range of the challenge. And if the EXIF data is missing or corrupted, it could reject the submission. |
That isn't possible for anyone using PaintShop once you make any corrections to the orginal photo, even something as simple as cropping the information is gone. I save my orginals and I work from it but as I work I don't save with the same file name so if I have to at a later time I can go back to it for the orginal information but rarely is that information available on the photo I upload for the challenge. |
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03/19/2003 11:07:18 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
The only thing DPC could maybe do/implement is something that reads the EXIF info (the dates) from the .jpg when it's submitted and then make sure the creation date falls within the submission date range of the challenge. And if the EXIF data is missing or corrupted, it could reject the submission. |
The problem with that is that some of the lower quality cameras don't save exifs (like mine for instance). Should I therefore not be allowed to submit my photos simply because I can't afford a better camera? That doesn't seem fair.
And the winner of the Square challenge was DQ'd after it was found that the date was wrong.
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03/19/2003 11:50:34 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by Gracechild7:
The problem with that is that some of the lower quality cameras don't save exifs (like mine for instance). Should I therefore not be allowed to submit my photos simply because I can't afford a better camera? That doesn't seem fair. |
No, that wouldn't be fair. :) Just kickin around ideas is all.
It's really a tough problem and I don't know enough about the EXIF info to suggest a better idea. But in the end I guess DPC may just have to trust the submissions. It's not that big a deal... if you need to cheat to get a better score, I say have fun doing it but you're really only cheating yourself by doing it.
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03/19/2003 11:55:55 PM · #13 |
Ahh, the problems of the honor system.
If we were required to upload exif data then 99 percent of us would have to upload 2 files... because making changes to the original strips exif data. Otherwise, we would have to submit the original, unmodified image... perish the thought. |
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03/20/2003 12:02:09 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by achiral:
Originally posted by Morgan:
I see that this person is a brand new participant at DPC. Perhaps, a warning and some further education on the rules is a better approach as this is their first submission? |
"BURN THE WITCH!!" - Holy Grail |
"she turned me into a newt!!!"
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03/20/2003 01:47:02 AM · #15 |
| Maybe we could just have people swear on their mothers grave that they are not lying :) |
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03/20/2003 01:49:13 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by briphoto:
Maybe we could just have people swear on their mothers grave that they are not lying :) |
That might be awkward for those of us whose mothers are living...
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03/20/2003 02:18:29 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by briphoto:
Maybe we could just have people swear on their mothers grave that they are not lying :) |
That might be awkward for those of us whose mothers are living... |
But it would mean we could cheat at liberty ... :-)
Ed
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03/20/2003 10:09:02 AM · #18 |
| There is no easy solution. It is a recurrent problem in contests where pictures have to be taken within a defined period of time. There are softwares that allow you to modify the EXIF data and put any date, so even that is not a proof... |
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03/20/2003 10:12:02 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by sher9204:
Originally posted by achiral:
Originally posted by Morgan:
I see that this person is a brand new participant at DPC. Perhaps, a warning and some further education on the rules is a better approach as this is their first submission? |
"BURN THE WITCH!!" - Holy Grail |
"she turned me into a newt!!!" |
I got better. :)
Mark |
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03/20/2003 10:48:47 AM · #20 |
I remember growing up with a kid who always thought he had to win in every thing. He would cheat just to win. Why do people do that? You would think they would out grow it. What's the fun in a challenge if you have to cheat to win.
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03/20/2003 11:04:14 AM · #21 |
good eye uftheory, this should be dq'ed even at this date.
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03/20/2003 12:01:48 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Sonifo:
I remember growing up with a kid who always thought he had to win in every thing. He would cheat just to win. Why do people do that? You would think they would out grow it. What's the fun in a challenge if you have to cheat to win. |
There are at least two logical conclusions here. One is a deliberate misrepresentation and another is a misunderstanding of the rules.
At this point, is it not reasonable to assume the best, instead of the worst? I do not know this person, but it is a nice image and it does show promise, don't you agree?
I concur that it still should be disqualified as it appears to be in violation of the DPC rules. Or, at least the rules of the weather in DC in the winter. Especially, this winter in DC.
But, it is too soon to begin a witch hunt and all members should be given the benefit of doubt. Especially on their first submission. Why chase someone away with unfounded accusations and assumed guilt - it could simply be an honest mistake? This is not the American way, is it?
Why not give it some more thought folks? Just DQ the submission and then offer this new registered user a better understanding of the DPC submission rules, pretty simple really. And, it is an approach that is well suited to this wonderful DPC community that we all share - Morgan
From a fellow Newt who never actually got better! (and a major Monty Python fan too). |
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03/20/2003 12:18:34 PM · #23 |
| Morgan, I really like your post. |
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03/20/2003 12:40:57 PM · #24 |
A thing that could help is to remove the "by default" date of the photo when submitting. The thing is that now it is possible not to enter any date so the system will enter the date of submission as the date of the photo.If the person was obliged to enter manually a date when submitting, benefit of doubt would be significantly affected!
Just a thought.
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03/20/2003 03:45:22 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by Patzt:
Morgan, I really like your post. |
Thank you Patzt...It just seems so unfair to attack someone without anyone to defend this new person. I faced a similar attack when I joined last year. It was totally without merit and was a real letdown.
I obey the DPC rules and I enjoy the challenges. But, new folks can be intimidated by a few aggressive participants and perhaps this will scared them off of this wonderful site. Luckily, this is not the overriding attitude of what this site is all about. This is a great place to learn, interact, meet, discuss, and most of all - have fun. At least, that is the way I see it. Morgan |
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