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01/09/2005 03:20:15 AM · #1 |
I have put a great deal of time into doing a good number of crits for the Critique Club, which I've recently joined for that purpose. The only reason I do it, of course, is because the photographers have asked for this feedback and, presumably, they want detailed analysis of their images.
Now, if I had asked for detailed critique and received it, I'd be absolutely certain to send a message to the critiquer thanking him/her for her time and feedback. This is common courtesy, in my view. However, to date I have received no such message from any of the photographers whose work I have critiqued.
Since I'm unwilling to assume that DPCers, as a group, are rude and thoughtless, I'm coming to the conclusion that perhaps these critiques are not even being read by the photographers, who may have no idea that a critique club response has appeared on their images.
Is it possible to set the system up so that an automatic email is generated to the photogrpahers who receive these detailed critiques, perhaps even including the critique in the body of the mail? At least this way I'd know my work is reaching its intended audience.
It's very frustrating to feel I'm wasting my time doing this. And if the photographer does not read the critique, it's definitely been a waste of my time. Lord knows, I'd do a LOT more of them (and I've done quite a few) if the recipients would just take the time to tell me my efforts were appreciated.
Robt.
Message edited by author 2005-01-09 03:22:17.
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01/09/2005 03:33:41 AM · #2 |
Of course they are being read. Just like any other comment under an image.
As for pm acknowledgements, or lack thereof, i would assume that's because people have been complaining about pm replies to comments. At least that's why i never send any. And because the pm system leaves a lot to be desired.
But i do, and i am sure so do the rest of the critique club comments recipients, appreciate all the effort that you, folks, are putting into this, don't even doubt that for a second.
Here is an official, if perhaps belated, thank you. |
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01/09/2005 03:34:35 AM · #3 |
I can tell you, from my own expiriance, that sometimes, not on purpose, I just fail to see the comment.
Personally, I don't check my received comments every day, and since the comment have arrived many days after the challenge has ended, I just missed it.
Since I never marked the comment as helpful, after a while I received a PM from the commenters, refering me to their words.
If your comments were not marked as helpful, maybe this is the case, and the photographer simply didn't see your comment.
If they were marked as helpful, maybe people think this is enough.
Personaly, I would send a "thank U" PM, but I am not sure everyone thinks this is necessary, and I wouldn't hold them grudge for that.
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01/09/2005 03:35:31 AM · #4 |
| I always sent an email to the photographer simply saying "You have received a critique club comment on your Xchallenge image titled "xtitle" and included a link to the photo. Seems that a lot of people don't go back and look at their past photos, but if you direct them there, they will go back and look. Just a helpful bit of advice I found useful. Heather |
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01/09/2005 03:42:36 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by hbunch7187:
I always sent an email to the photographer simply saying "You have received a critique club comment on your Xchallenge image titled "xtitle" and included a link to the photo. Seems that a lot of people don't go back and look at their past photos, but if you direct them there, they will go back and look. Just a helpful bit of advice I found useful. Heather |
A person can also go to their profile and click on the number of received comments, they will be able to see all of them in reverse chronological order. |
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01/09/2005 03:44:13 AM · #6 |
Heather,
Yeah, that's what I'm wondering if they can automate. The problem is, when I finish making the critique the image disappears, so I have to go through several extra steps to get the photographer information back up to do what you suggest. If I were more organized, I'd gather all that info before critiquing, but even so I'd have to FIND the photographer's profile to link a PM to him/her. Unless I'm missing something?
Regarding Yura's exploration of PMs to comments, I'd think the "culture" would be different for Critique Club somments; after all, the photographer specifically requested these comments...
I donno, maybe it's my age. In my generation, at least, we were brought up to to write "thank you" notes to people who did something special for us. Oddly, I have received quite a few comments thanking me for my comments amde during a challenge, even though I've received none for CC comments. Go figure...
Robt.
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01/09/2005 04:36:24 AM · #7 |
| Hello All ! Just wondering how long it takes to receive back a critique comment ?? I did ask for one about 6 weeks ago and have not got an email. Checked my comments for that photograph, nothing in there either. I'm in no rush but wanting to know how long it takes in general !:-) |
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01/09/2005 05:06:36 AM · #8 |
Meg, is that really YOU? jejeje™
Critique club has a backlog of a couple hundred images. When we click on our link, it assigns us one at random. As I understand it, they fill it from the top with photos from the latest challenge, and empty it from the bottom. So a lot of images that request crits, never receive them. Many more requests than there are available crit-hours, is what it boils down to.
Robt.
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01/09/2005 05:57:54 AM · #9 |
bear_music,
I would bet that you are exactly correct, many times the recipient doesn't even know that their photo has been reviewed, especially since there is such a time lag. Surely the administrators can provide you guys an easier means by which to notifiy the photographers whose work you review that it has been done. Just my thought. |
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01/09/2005 06:01:26 AM · #10 |
no it's not really Meg bearmusic lol ! There was a post the other day about the origin of our usernames and mine simply is my daughter Meghan and son Ryan combined. Didn't have to think to hard for that one !
I figured there would be a backlog of photos to get through for Critique, but if I'm fortunate enough to get one that would be great ! :-)
Lisa |
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01/09/2005 06:03:19 AM · #11 |
Bear, I'm aware of the fact that the CC doesn't automate any PMs, and have made this part of the CC overhaul proposal that was voiced a few months ago. However, D&L haven't had the time to code this (admittably massive) project, due to other more pressing concerns. This is why I recommended in your welcome email that you always PM the photog once you complete a critique. If finding the photog once you've finished a critique is a problem, just click on their username when you're writing the critique, which will open their profile page.
Meg, unfortunately only about 5-10% of CC requests will receive a critique, since there are so many critiques and so few active CC members. If you've not received a critique in the week after the challenge ended, then I'm afraid to say that the request has been removed from the queue (to make way for the next challenge) and thus won't get a response. However, you're welcome to post a link to the image in the forums and ask for response via there...
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01/09/2005 06:10:07 AM · #12 |
Thanks MANIC - Atleast I know I've got that week or so to check in and see if I have a critique comment left ! :-)
-Lisa |
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01/09/2005 06:22:19 AM · #13 |
Manic,
To be honest, I hadn't noticed that you recommended that. I'll give it a try, it's also what Heather suggested of course. Thanx.
Robt.
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01/09/2005 06:24:37 AM · #14 |
Bear Music,
I am ashamed, you are right about some of us not even bothering to say a word of thanks to our critique giver. I entered the calender competition in November for which I received a fantastic critique from tristalisk... and to date I have not bothered to say 'kamsa hamnida' (the Korean respectful thank you).
No excuse for taking such a valuable thing for granted. Let me take this opportunity to say to tristlisk, THANK YOU! After the critique I realised for the first time that post-pic inputs are a must. If at least I can say this, your advise has lead to a massive improvement for me... not only scores but in photography as a whole.
peter |
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01/09/2005 08:54:14 AM · #15 |
Robert, (Bear_Music)
Your efforts are very much appreciated! Trust me I see all your comments in the forums all the time and they are insightful and very well written. I can only imagine how well your critiques would be structured. For someone that has been around for about a month, you certainly are getting well known and recognized around here.
Personally, I look at my list of entries but I never really open them up and if that's where the critiques are put, I would have never known.
I'm sure everyone appreciates your time and comments, don't get discouraged.
Suggestions: Put a STAR Icon and/or something on the profile page by the challenge entry that has had a critique in it. That way everyone including the critique receiver will notice this quickly. I would love to read these critiques on other images when I browse people profiles. Who said that they are the only ones that will learn from these critiques, I'm sure others that read these might learn a thing or two.
Keep it up, and now I'm going to look through my images to make sure I didn't get a critique, probably not but you can hope ;-)
Thanks
PS: Thanks to all for dedicating your time to this site! |
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01/09/2005 09:31:25 AM · #16 |
Yeah, I've gotten a couple of PM's thanking me for the time I put into it. But I always make sure to point out in the comment that it is from the CC and I always PM the person right after I critique the photo.
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01/09/2005 09:37:08 AM · #17 |
I had a great critique on one of my challenge photos, and I didn't notice it until the author pm'ed me. I was embarassed for not seeing it, and was very glad that he brought it to my attention.
Liza |
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01/09/2005 10:42:41 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
Yeah, that's what I'm wondering if they can automate. The problem is, when I finish making the critique the image disappears, so I have to go through several extra steps to get the photographer information back up to do what you suggest. If I were more organized, I'd gather all that info before critiquing, but even so I'd have to FIND the photographer's profile to link a PM to him/her. Unless I'm missing something?
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Go to your Profile page, and look in the top left corner for the number of comments you have made. Click on the number to get a listing of them with thumbnails. Click on the photographer's name to find his or her profile. |
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01/09/2005 11:12:26 AM · #19 |
Robert, (Bear_Music)
Your efforts are very much appreciated! Trust me I see all your comments in the forums all the time and they are insightful and very well written. I can only imagine how well your critiques would be structured.
What he said!
I spend alot of time looking for and reading the critiques on photos of others. When I find a good critique"r", I just go to their profile and read their comments made. I've been frequently hanging around in your profile and I appreciate your time and effort. :D |
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01/09/2005 11:23:58 AM · #20 |
Until the critque club is less strained with photo's, would it be possible to send out the ones that have been on hold for a while to the general site for everyone to look at and send in comments. In this way at least the people get some specific feed back. A lot of people are trying new things or are new to photography and are looking for some advise, may the site members can give that to them. Just let them know in some fashion that the comments were not yet from the critque club.
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01/09/2005 11:28:17 AM · #21 |
I guess I'm being bad but I don't really mean to be. I have only had one comment from the critique club and I didn't write a thank-you. When I first started here I wrote back to almost everyone who left a comment to thank them for the time they took, but I've been lazy lately. It's not because I don't appriciate it because I really do. Sometimes it is a time factor like when I check the comments at work, but I don't have the time to write back and it slips my mind by the time I get home. I do make sure that I mark the comment as helpful so the commenter can see on their profile page that I read there comment and that it was helpful. So here is a thank-you to keegbow (who wrote my critique) and the rest of the critique club for all of the time and effort they put into it. You are very much appriciated!
I would also like to say that I like the suggestion from Moose101. I very much like to read the comments left by the critique club, regardless of the image (mine, not mine, ones I liked, as well as those I didn't). I wonder if we could get a page of the photos the CC did, like under the browse for photos or something? Or is there a list anywhere of the CC members. I just thought of this, but if we look under the "comments made" on the profile of the CC members, that should show us their critiques, right? I guess I can check this myself. |
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01/09/2005 01:43:42 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
...I donno, maybe it's my age. In my generation, at least, we were brought up to to write "thank you" notes to people who did something special for us. Oddly, I have received quite a few comments thanking me for my comments amde during a challenge, even though I've received none for CC comments. Go figure...
Robt. |
I was too, although it's hard to remember to do it for all of them (in "real life" too...:( )
One thing I've proposed (but I can't remember if it's on "The List") is to have a "Reply-To" button by the commenter's name -- I find it just annoying enough to be forced to the commenter's profile page to send a PM every single time, that I sometimes don't bother.
Message edited by author 2005-01-09 13:44:19. |
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01/09/2005 02:33:34 PM · #23 |
I just looked through the CC comments I've made, and it seems quite a few haven't even been found helpful. That's the only shame. I don't want a special PM to act like I blew you off your socks, but each critique I've done, I have put a lot of time and thought into looking at -- just to not be found helpful. Possibly they just haven't seen it or don't check their email often, I don't know.
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01/14/2005 03:36:07 PM · #24 |
I see Bear's point. I've done about 15 critiques, received 2 acknowledgemnts and observed 4 'found helpfuls' appear on my stats. Each crit was detailed and talked about points I liked and points I thought could be improved.
But then, I do crits as much to help myself as I do others.
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01/14/2005 03:49:54 PM · #25 |
Why not be content knowing you've done your job well, without forcing a cyber pat-on-the-back.
If a lack of praise kept people from doing good then our world would be a much sadder place.
:-)
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