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12/22/2004 02:30:28 AM · #1 |
I hate to say this...I am very disappointed. I see one taht i want to give a 12 or 15 to, and way too many that deserve the dreaded 1.
I don't know where to start...lots of small pics, out of focus pics, badly lit pics...I feel like I am at my crazy Aunt Ethel's for Xmas dinner and have to look at her family photo album of her 99 cats.
I want to stop voting, but this is like a car wreck -I can't look away 'cause i might see blood or something gruesome.
I should have entered. A xerox of my dog's arse might be competetive in this bunch. LOL
Sorry, but I am soooo disappointed.
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12/22/2004 10:00:19 AM · #2 |
| I just went through the thumbnails, and I have to agree with you--I'm not sure what happened, but it seems that everyone forgot about lighting, composition, creativity, etc, and just submitted a quick snapshot taken with on-camera flash. Lovely! |
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12/22/2004 10:26:59 AM · #3 |
My photo was at a 6.8 after 10 votes, but now it's down to 6.000... i've never seen a photo move that much after the 10 vote mark, and I'm paying it doesn't go below a 6! Too many dogs in this challenge if you ask me, but then again i'm not big on dogs.
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12/22/2004 11:08:30 AM · #4 |
| Yeah, i have to agree these are extremely disappointing, maybe with one or two exceptions. I don't think i'm going to vote on this challenge. |
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12/22/2004 11:32:46 AM · #5 |
My voting average may drop. :-P
Message edited by author 2004-12-22 11:48:23.
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12/22/2004 11:41:56 AM · #6 |
| i agree , too many of the same photos , only a few that stand out |
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12/22/2004 12:04:25 PM · #7 |
By my calculations:
Dogs: 65
Cats: 32
Birds: 6
Inanimate objects (including figurines and stuffed aninals): 4
snakes: 3
Horses: 3
Fish: 3
Dead pets: 3 (I'm assuming one of them is meant to be a tribute to a dead pet but I may be wrong)
Hamsters: 2
Unidentified animals: 2 (one may be some sort of crustacean; the other is a mammal)
deer: 1
Turtles: 1
Ducks (wild, not pets): 1
Goats (livestock, really): 1
Guinea pigs: 1
Camel: 1
grasshopper (GRASSHOPPER!!!): 1
rat: 1
Alligator (or some sort of crocodillian): 1
hmmm this doesn't add up, I know one has two different kinds of animals and I counted them seperately so the total should be 134... eh, whatever, must have missed 3 cats or dogs.
voting is very difficult because so many are very poor quality (lighting, composition, focus, appeal). I guess when some people saw the challenge they just ran out and took a snap of their pet without much thought or effort.
P.
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12/22/2004 12:06:56 PM · #8 |
I took a big, big chance on this challenge, and obviously failed miserably. Mine was based entirely on emotion and not on technical. In fact I intentionally deemphasized the tech to emphasize the feelings hoped to be captured.
I wish I could take it back, as I feel such a wide gamut of emotion personally attached to the making of the photo. Folks just don't get it, and it hurts on a level that I hadn't anticipated.
I'm not sure just what I've learned, but I never fail to be amazed at the depth of emotion that a beloved animal companion can give rise to. That's why I will probably never have another. The loss hurts too much.
Bill (licking my wounds in Rio Rancho) |
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12/22/2004 12:22:16 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by pentaxian:
By my calculations:
Dogs: 65
Cats: 32
Birds: 6
Inanimate objects (including figurines and stuffed aninals): 4
snakes: 3
Horses: 3
Fish: 3
Dead pets: 3 (I'm assuming one of them is meant to be a tribute to a dead pet but I may be wrong)
Hamsters: 2
Unidentified animals: 2 (one may be some sort of crustacean; the other is a mammal)
deer: 1
Turtles: 1
Ducks (wild, not pets): 1
Goats (livestock, really): 1
Guinea pigs: 1
Camel: 1
grasshopper (GRASSHOPPER!!!): 1
rat: 1
Alligator (or some sort of crocodillian): 1
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Way too much time on your hands... LOL
I have to agree.. There was only one picture that I could rate high... I think it was an 8 or so... |
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12/22/2004 12:27:37 PM · #10 |
[quote=pentaxian] By my calculations:
grasshopper (GRASSHOPPER!!!): 1
I think it was a cricket, and........
Crickets are common pets in China. Crickets can be purchased at any pet store that sells reptiles. They often are sold in small and large sizes. They love to eat cornmeal and they drink water from a soaked cotton ball. |
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12/22/2004 12:30:00 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by jemison:
I'm not sure just what I've learned, but I never fail to be amazed at the depth of emotion that a beloved animal companion can give rise to. That's why I will probably never have another. The loss hurts too much.
Bill (licking my wounds in Rio Rancho) |
I was rather disheartened when I read your comments Bill, because a person that cares that dearly about an animal is exactly the type of person that should have a pet. I have a full appreciation of what you are going through, as I recently lost a very loving Bouvier by the name of Beauregard.
I have gone through the various stages of grieving and soon, I will be able to once again have a friend like Beau was for me during his 15 years. Believe me when I tell you that what you are feeling right now will in time subside, and that the memories you cherish the most will empower you to once again seek the companionship you so richly deserve.
Ray |
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12/22/2004 12:39:21 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by jemison:
I'm not sure just what I've learned, but I never fail to be amazed at the depth of emotion that a beloved animal companion can give rise to. That's why I will probably never have another. The loss hurts too much.
Bill (licking my wounds in Rio Rancho) |
I was rather disheartened when I read your comments Bill, because a person that cares that dearly about an animal is exactly the type of person that should have a pet. I have a full appreciation of what you are going through, as I recently lost a very loving Bouvier by the name of Beauregard.
I have gone through the various stages of grieving and soon, I will be able to once again have a friend like Beau was for me during his 15 years. Believe me when I tell you that what you are feeling right now will in time subside, and that the memories you cherish the most will empower you to once again seek the companionship you so richly deserve.
Ray |
Yes - don't greive too long, get another pet. I lost my 12 year old pug after moving to the country -she was hit and killed on the road (sheo knew curbs from her city life, but we have no curbs out here). I got a Great Dane. Very good dog, but I think when he is gons I'm going for a standard poodle. I hear they are smart, and i can give her a funny haricut.
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12/22/2004 12:39:48 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
a person that cares that dearly about an animal is exactly the type of person that should have a pet. |
I whole-heartedly agree with Ray's sentiments here. When my wife and I lost our first Shih Tzu a couple years ago, it was the worst thing either of us has ever had to deal with. My wife was adamant about never having another dog because of the emotional turmoil. However, we now have two Shih Tzu and they bring us so much joy and happiness!
A couple days after we lost her, I came across this quote, which I reflect upon often...
"We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own live within a fragile circle, easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps, we still would live no other way. We cherish memory as the only certain immortality, never fully understanding the necessary plan..." (Irving Townsend, "The Once Again Prince")
Message edited by author 2004-12-22 12:40:26. |
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12/22/2004 12:48:57 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by yurasocolov:
Yeah, i have to agree these are extremely disappointing, maybe with one or two exceptions. I don't think i'm going to vote on this challenge. |
No, please don't waste your time by voting, and definitely do not leave constructive comments on individual photos. Someone might learn from you, and besides, your sight might be permanently damaged from having to view such dreck.
Instead, just complain in forum posts, where no individual can benefit and all can be chastened by your disapproval.
Oh, my bad, you already have. |
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12/22/2004 01:00:02 PM · #15 |
I opined in another thread that many of these photos were snapshots (with it's negative connotations because yes, there are good snapshots in the world of photography).
I will likely not vote either. It seems that many of these photos were taken because people love their pets and thought that the photo looked great because "I love snooky the dog soooooo much".
The problem is, the snooky-photo holds no interest for me and it would be difficult for me to explain how to improve the photo to the photographer if they can't see the glaring faults already.
I've said it before...this is the first thing I learned about photography in my first few months: The emotion in the moment will not inherently find it's way to the viewer of the photograph...that would mean that photographers would simply be "moment-recognizers". No, the art is in "capturing" that moment with it's emotion in the limited medium we call a photograph.
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12/22/2004 01:14:30 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by scrum8:
[quote=pentaxian] By my calculations:
grasshopper (GRASSHOPPER!!!): 1
I think it was a cricket, and........
Crickets are common pets in China. Crickets can be purchased at any pet store that sells reptiles. They often are sold in small and large sizes. They love to eat cornmeal and they drink water from a soaked cotton ball. |
It's a grasshopper in someone's backyard. Crickets are generally a dull brown to dark brown color and this animal is green. Crickets are thought to bring good luck in some cultures. And FWIW, the crickets sold in pet shops in the US are sold as food for reptiles, etc.
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12/22/2004 01:15:25 PM · #17 |
to "thatcloudthere" and others......
We are all here to enjoy photography and improve our skills of taking (and perhaps post-processing) our photos.
Perhaps, we should also be working on our skills as VIEWERS.
No matter how good a photo may convey meaning and emotion, if we have "an attitude" about something, we can't and won't see all the beauty in it.
I do believe one of the things we need to work on is to become more objective. Let us actively try to see things through the photographer's eye, and actively work on allowing the message of the photo to get through to us.
Not only will our voting be fairer, but our own enjoyment will be increased.
Message edited by author 2004-12-22 13:17:03. |
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12/22/2004 01:16:21 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
The problem is, the snooky-photo holds no interest for me and it would be difficult for me to explain how to improve the photo to the photographer if they can't see the glaring faults already.
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Although I fully appreciate what the author is trying to convey in this instance, the fact remains that if each of us voted on only those things we share a common interest in, I fear the voting pool would be seriously diluted.
If indeed it is true that the photographers cannot not see the glaring faults in their submissions due to their emotional involvement with the subject matter, then we as a collective group would be remiss if we failed to bring to their attention their ineptnesss.
It is only through constructive criticism that newbies like myself can ever hope to learn and flourish. |
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12/22/2004 01:17:01 PM · #19 |
I have to agree, but I've given 3 9's, about 8's and about 10 7's. I gave a lot of ones and twos though.
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12/22/2004 01:20:25 PM · #20 |
| Look on the brite side....there are no woody shots :) |
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12/22/2004 01:22:40 PM · #21 |
At first I wasn't going to vote. But I think there are 2 or 3 good images that deserve the recognition of placing well in a sea of mediocrity. I gave out a few 9s on this one a couple of 8s, and more 3s then ever before with a smattering of other scores mixed in. Hopefully my comments won't offend anyone but will be seen as constructive.
P. |
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12/22/2004 01:30:38 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by cloudsme:
Look on the brite side....there are no woody shots :) |
Oooh, woody IS a non-electronic mechanical man though!
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12/22/2004 01:46:54 PM · #23 |
I've so enjoyed looking at the photos in this challenge and seeing the love shown between human and animal--especially the dogs. ;o) Maybe it's because I have a loving border collie who is almost human. I missed entering this challenge as I've been a few times at the grave of my loving husband who died a few years ago on January 10 and is missed much by BOTH myself and my dog, Geordie.
So I took a photo of him at the grave the other day. He wouldn't leave. He wanted to stay. I had to go and start the engine of my car in order to get him to leave the spot where my husband lies.
Thought you'd like to see a real friend and buddy. (And he's one of those "too many dogs" LOL)
Missing His Master
This one I took on my husband's birthday...
Waiting For His Master
Even though it was raining quite heavily and he was getting wet, he just wanted to gaze on the grave. Dogs sure have feeling and know how to show affection and such love. Not sure what I'd do without him.
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12/22/2004 01:51:40 PM · #24 |
Pat: those are both touching pictures with a strong emotional connection. I would have rated either of them highly in the challenge.
Dogs are amazing creatures, and I'm glad that Geordie is there for you. |
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12/22/2004 02:12:19 PM · #25 |
For me, this is one challenge where I'm am going to weigh the emotive aspect of the photograph much heavier than the technical aspect. In that regard, in my first run through, I don't see so many really low scores as some others have observed.
In this respect, I wonder how the works of Henri Cartier-Bresson would have played here. Comments would be image is not tack sharp, distracting backgrounds, to dark, blown highlights etc. All valid for a lot of his work - but the emotive nature of his eye is what made him stand apart, not the techical detail.
I think we vote things too technically here and don't step back and look at what the image is actually saying.
//www.henricartierbresson.org/hcb/home_fr.htm
Message edited by author 2004-12-22 14:29:09. |
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