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10/31/2004 08:00:49 PM · #1
Wow...I don't know why, but I just sat through about 30 minutes of a Jimmy Swaggart show. He said some nutso things and was pretty hateful in his delivery...

Is this the way that the general population sees followers of Jesus of Nazareth?

I hope not...
10/31/2004 08:23:33 PM · #2
Nope. Every group has some nutzoids.

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

Wow...I don't know why, but I just sat through about 30 minutes of a Jimmy Swaggart show. He said some nutso things and was pretty hateful in his delivery...

Is this the way that the general population sees followers of Jesus of Nazareth?

I hope not...

10/31/2004 08:57:06 PM · #3
It's kinda crazy huh?
you believe they gave him a show?

Message edited by author 2004-10-31 20:57:18.
10/31/2004 09:16:23 PM · #4
he pays for that show
10/31/2004 09:24:41 PM · #5
Most real Christians don't have television shows :) Jimmy S is to Christianity what Osama BL is to Islam...
10/31/2004 10:21:41 PM · #6
Originally posted by myqyl:

Most real Christians don't have television shows :) Jimmy S is to Christianity what Osama BL is to Islam...


As sad as that is, that may be a pretty good comparision.

karmat
A Christian
10/31/2004 10:33:51 PM · #7
Originally posted by myqyl:

Most real Christians don't have television shows :) Jimmy S is to Christianity what Osama BL is to Islam...


I wouldn't go that far... I doubt Jimmy Swaggart has ever orgainized a terrorist plot to kill 3000 Muslims. These kinds of comparisons are ridiculous. Osama Bin Ladin is a murderer. Swaggart is just a zealot.

It's crap comparision, not a good one.

10/31/2004 10:38:30 PM · #8
What's so amazing is that people actually buy into it and send him lots of money...to the tune of 150 million dollars annually.
10/31/2004 11:07:25 PM · #9
Originally posted by Olyuzi:

What's so amazing is that people actually buy into it and send him lots of money...to the tune of 150 million dollars annually.

Whatever eases their conscience ...

David
10/31/2004 11:12:40 PM · #10
Looks like Club Juggle is the official censor guy of these forums? He removed my post. Why Club Juggle? Please stop censoring, OK?
10/31/2004 11:25:48 PM · #11
Originally posted by ChrisW123:

Looks like Club Juggle is the official censor guy of these forums? He removed my post. Why Club Juggle? Please stop censoring, OK?


Check your email. I already sent you an explanation.

-Terry
10/31/2004 11:28:14 PM · #12
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Originally posted by ChrisW123:

Looks like Club Juggle is the official censor guy of these forums? He removed my post. Why Club Juggle? Please stop censoring, OK?


Check your email. I already sent you an explanation.

-Terry


You deleted my post be of the Bush comment? It was a joke Terry. I think you are taking things a little too seriously. Relax a little.

10/31/2004 11:31:18 PM · #13
Originally posted by ChrisW123:

Originally posted by myqyl:

Most real Christians don't have television shows :) Jimmy S is to Christianity what Osama BL is to Islam...


I wouldn't go that far... I doubt Jimmy Swaggart has ever orgainized a terrorist plot to kill 3000 Muslims. These kinds of comparisons are ridiculous. Osama Bin Ladin is a murderer. Swaggart is just a zealot.

It's crap comparision, not a good one.


As far as analogies go, it may be a bit strong, but it does illustrate how OBL is a zealot on his end, and JS is a zealot on his end.

As far as one of the original questions, I know a lot of followers of Christ who are not like Swaggert, and can be respected and admired. Actually, I know more who are "real" than who are not, or who seem to be not.
10/31/2004 11:36:29 PM · #14
Most of my friends are of the Christian faith and I have to say that I love them all. My landlord is also a Born Again Christian and he treats me wonderfully. He's a wonderful family man and gives of himself tirelessly to all.
10/31/2004 11:40:18 PM · #15
Originally posted by karmat:

As far as analogies go, it may be a bit strong, but it does illustrate how OBL is a zealot on his end, and JS is a zealot on his end.

As far as one of the original questions, I know a lot of followers of Christ who are not like Swaggert, and can be respected and admired. Actually, I know more who are "real" than who are not, or who seem to be not.


It's more then a little strong.... It's a false statement to compare Swaggart to OBL. They are both radical, but one of them murder people in the name of their religon and the other one doesn't. It's a huge difference.

Just my opinion... :p
10/31/2004 11:50:23 PM · #16
Jimmy Jones, David Koresh are to Christianity what Osama is to Islam.
10/31/2004 11:51:42 PM · #17
eric rudolph as well...swaggert is a bad analogy although he is a loonie toon
10/31/2004 11:59:17 PM · #18
Originally posted by ChrisW123:

You deleted my post be of the Bush comment? It was a joke Terry. I think you are taking things a little too seriously. Relax a little.


I know it was a joke, and honestly, I thought it was rather funny. That said, tensions are running a little high right now with regard to politics, and rather than risk the near-certainty that it would set someone who took it the wrong way off, I felt it would be best to remove the post, and avoid having to clean up a big mess later.

Nothing personal... just an editorial decision made in light of the pre-election mood.

-Terry
11/01/2004 12:03:08 AM · #19
Originally posted by garrywhite2:

Jimmy Jones, David Koresh are to Christianity what Osama is to Islam.


I would agree that these two are a better anology to Osama Bin @#$$. But no matter what you say, OBL specifically wants to kill you and me in America. It doesn't matter if you are a liberal or you are a conservative... He still will kill both of us without a second thought.

Jim Jones and Koresh were just self-serving radicals who were not specifically opposed to the USA or Western values. OBL and Al Queda are different. You can't compare OBL to any Christain radical in recent memory in the crimes he and his followers have commited against humanity. Any comparison is basically spitting in the face of all who have died because this "person" and his orgainization, due to religous reasons.


11/01/2004 12:06:38 AM · #20
The first Christians who arrived in my regions carried fire in one hand and a sword in the other. They levelled the local places of worship and replaced them with their own.

Christ, however, I understand faced such adversities himself. He inspired values which would contradict such actions as much as they would contradict zealotry.

As a young man, I came across many Christians who would sin mainly between during the week and repent on Sundays. As I'm coming of age, the people of this faith appear everywhere around me. The best way to deal with them, I have found, is to think of them and treat them as people. ;-)

I'm still a little bitter about the damage and harm they have caused so many native peoples in their zealotry. Because of this, the only way I can accept a Christian into my house is by insisting he enter unarmed.

Message edited by author 2004-11-01 00:07:31.
11/01/2004 12:13:59 AM · #21
LORD, Save Me From Your Followers

--Bumper Sticker
11/01/2004 12:15:09 AM · #22
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Nothing personal... just an editorial decision made in light of the pre-election mood.


I think it's wrong remove a person's post unless there are extreme curcumstances. My post was NOT extreme. It was a joke about Bush at the end, and that's it. Censorship is WRONG in 99% of the situations. In my opinion your judgement to remove my post was wrong and shows how people need to stand up against censorship and reject/fight it in situations like this. But whatever, the Cheese-Heads won today so that's a good sign right?... :)
11/01/2004 12:17:54 AM · #23
Originally posted by ChrisW123:

But whatever, the Cheese-Heads won today so that's a good sign right?... :)

For Kerry ...
11/01/2004 12:27:29 AM · #24
Originally posted by zeuszen:

I'm still a little bitter about the damage and harm they have caused so many native peoples in their zealotry. Because of this, the only way I can accept a Christian into my house is by insisting he enter unarmed.


Yeah but you'd let a Muslim who has 10 pounds of plastic explosives strapped to his body enter your house without a second question? WTF is up with you Christain haters? Are you really more angry with Christians then with Muslims who have killed 3000 people only a few years ago? I'm wondering if this trend isn't a self-loathing kind of thing, where the enemy becomes the friend of the victim through the phycology of the trama inflicted on the victim. Is that it?

I'll never understand any arguement that puts down Christains in favor of Muslims. Don't you understand that these radical Muslims want Christianity to fail so that they can spread Islam throught the World? Look around you. If you live in European countries, don't you see the spread into your country? France? Britain? Russia? Australlia? New Zeland? Are you watching? Are you wondering what is going on?? :)
11/01/2004 12:28:36 AM · #25
Originally posted by ChrisW123:

I think it's wrong remove a person's post unless there are extreme curcumstances. My post was NOT extreme. It was a joke about Bush at the end, and that's it. Censorship is WRONG in 99% of the situations. In my opinion your judgement to remove my post was wrong and shows how people need to stand up against censorship and reject/fight it in situations like this. But whatever, the Cheese-Heads won today so that's a good sign right?... :)


In the past, that has been exactly the approach I have taken. In nearly 100% of those situations, the thread quickly degenerated to the point wher it was not possible to steer the thread back on topic. Based on that past experience, my judgment was (and remains) that removing the post was the only way to keep the existing discussion in the thread on-topic.

If you would like to discuss this further, please contact me off-board.

Thanks,
Terry
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