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01/24/2017 03:06:19 AM · #51 |
I haven't had much time lately to vote but I'm glad I made the time for this challenge.
Stats: You have rated 147 of 147 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 20 images (14%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.1497.
I'm happy with how mine is being received too
Votes: 87
Views: 156
Avg Vote: 4.9425
Comments: 5 |
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01/24/2017 04:10:07 AM · #52 |
wow. i've had a huge bump in the number of comments I received overnight:
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01/24/2017 04:33:12 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by NiallOTuama:
wow. i've had a huge bump in the number of comments I received overnight:
Comments: 11 |
Me too
Votes: 88
Views: 173
Avg Vote: 6.1477
Comments: 12
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 01/24/17 04:32 am
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01/24/2017 08:40:25 AM · #54 |
You have rated 147 of 147 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 53 images (36%) in this challenge.
I'm done- and can't wait to read the comments and see the results of the jury- and opinions and backstories of the entries.
Great job everybody- and for the record, it is challenges like these that make this site great. |
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01/24/2017 09:09:30 AM · #55 |
Art of 2016
Votes: 87
Views: 152
Avg Vote: 4.9655
Comments: 0
Zero comments! I guess my image is being spurned because it is not considered "art" by the elite. This will be my last "art" challenge. |
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01/24/2017 09:45:17 AM · #56 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Art of 2016
Votes: 87
Views: 152
Avg Vote: 4.9655
Comments: 0
Zero comments! I guess my image is being spurned because it is not considered "art" by the elite. This will be my last "art" challenge. |
As one of the 87 "elitists" I can only say that if your photo has failed some sort of litmus test for what is or is not "art" then that's an awful lot of tests to fail. The one comment I've obviously failed to make on yours and many others is this...
"This is a wonderful photograph. Yet for me it does not transcend the gulf between 'perfect capture' and 'art'. This does not speak to it's merit as a photograph or deny your perception of it, it only speaks to mine."
Please know, this post is not some smug response to yours. I've long struggled with the line between "great photo" and "art", and felt the short shrift of voting here when I thought I was on the other side. Ultimately, speaking with those whose eyes I trust and asking them why my, and other photos like it, failed to transcend that gulf is how I've grown to know when my photos actually merit the label or are simply pretenders. I do not consider myself an "artist", per se, but am glad for the occasional accident where I find "art" in what I've produced, particularly when it's recognized by others without prompting. I continue to work on acquiring the vision required to perhaps one day be called "artist", and will be content with the accidents in the meantime. I say this to encourage you not to walk away from the challenge but to learn from the misses, as difficult as they may be.
Message edited by author 2017-01-24 09:52:10. |
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01/24/2017 12:52:14 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by JakeKurdsjuk:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Art of 2016
Votes: 87
Views: 152
Avg Vote: 4.9655
Comments: 0
Zero comments! I guess my image is being spurned because it is not considered "art" by the elite. This will be my last "art" challenge. |
As one of the 87 "elitists" I can only say that if your photo has failed some sort of litmus test for what is or is not "art" then that's an awful lot of tests to fail. The one comment I've obviously failed to make on yours and many others is this...
"This is a wonderful photograph. Yet for me it does not transcend the gulf between 'perfect capture' and 'art'. This does not speak to it's merit as a photograph or deny your perception of it, it only speaks to mine."
Please know, this post is not some smug response to yours. I've long struggled with the line between "great photo" and "art", and felt the short shrift of voting here when I thought I was on the other side. Ultimately, speaking with those whose eyes I trust and asking them why my, and other photos like it, failed to transcend that gulf is how I've grown to know when my photos actually merit the label or are simply pretenders. I do not consider myself an "artist", per se, but am glad for the occasional accident where I find "art" in what I've produced, particularly when it's recognized by others without prompting. I continue to work on acquiring the vision required to perhaps one day be called "artist", and will be content with the accidents in the meantime. I say this to encourage you not to walk away from the challenge but to learn from the misses, as difficult as they may be. |
Beautifully said, Jake. For me it has always been about the journey, as much as the destination. "Arriving" at "art" is often a serendipitous journey. |
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01/24/2017 03:21:40 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Art of 2016
Zero comments! I guess my image is being spurned because it is not considered "art" by the elite. This will be my last "art" challenge. |
I don't know who the elites are Richard. We were not awarded yet the jury's blings and the votes so far are form everybody.
I think that Jake responded very well to your post.
As to my score, the better the comments (5 so far), the lower the score (5.26)!
In this challenge:
I have rated 147 of 147 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 54 images (36%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 5.8435
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01/24/2017 03:48:51 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by JakeKurdsjuk:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Art of 2016
Votes: 87
Views: 152
Avg Vote: 4.9655
Comments: 0
Zero comments! I guess my image is being spurned because it is not considered "art" by the elite. This will be my last "art" challenge. |
As one of the 87 "elitists" I can only say that if your photo has failed some sort of litmus test for what is or is not "art" then that's an awful lot of tests to fail. The one comment I've obviously failed to make on yours and many others is this...
"This is a wonderful photograph. Yet for me it does not transcend the gulf between 'perfect capture' and 'art'. This does not speak to it's merit as a photograph or deny your perception of it, it only speaks to mine."
Please know, this post is not some smug response to yours. I've long struggled with the line between "great photo" and "art", and felt the short shrift of voting here when I thought I was on the other side. Ultimately, speaking with those whose eyes I trust and asking them why my, and other photos like it, failed to transcend that gulf is how I've grown to know when my photos actually merit the label or are simply pretenders. I do not consider myself an "artist", per se, but am glad for the occasional accident where I find "art" in what I've produced, particularly when it's recognized by others without prompting. I continue to work on acquiring the vision required to perhaps one day be called "artist", and will be content with the accidents in the meantime. I say this to encourage you not to walk away from the challenge but to learn from the misses, as difficult as they may be. |
Thanks! Good, thoughtful comments. Much appreciated.
I have received one comment now. (Not yours!) The commenter was helpful in explaining that my image did not meet the person's criteria for an art category. The person was very specific about what was missing. I really didn't know the art category was so specific. But, now I know. And, now I know I don't do the kind of photography specified in the comment, nor could I make the images the person specified. (But, no mention of such specifics in the challenge description.) It was my mistake for entering the art challenge without knowing the narrow rules. |
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01/24/2017 05:59:50 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by JakeKurdsjuk:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Art of 2016
Votes: 87
Views: 152
Avg Vote: 4.9655
Comments: 0
Zero comments! I guess my image is being spurned because it is not considered "art" by the elite. This will be my last "art" challenge. |
As one of the 87 "elitists" I can only say that if your photo has failed some sort of litmus test for what is or is not "art" then that's an awful lot of tests to fail. The one comment I've obviously failed to make on yours and many others is this...
"This is a wonderful photograph. Yet for me it does not transcend the gulf between 'perfect capture' and 'art'. This does not speak to it's merit as a photograph or deny your perception of it, it only speaks to mine."
Please know, this post is not some smug response to yours. I've long struggled with the line between "great photo" and "art", and felt the short shrift of voting here when I thought I was on the other side. Ultimately, speaking with those whose eyes I trust and asking them why my, and other photos like it, failed to transcend that gulf is how I've grown to know when my photos actually merit the label or are simply pretenders. I do not consider myself an "artist", per se, but am glad for the occasional accident where I find "art" in what I've produced, particularly when it's recognized by others without prompting. I continue to work on acquiring the vision required to perhaps one day be called "artist", and will be content with the accidents in the meantime. I say this to encourage you not to walk away from the challenge but to learn from the misses, as difficult as they may be. |
Thanks! Good, thoughtful comments. Much appreciated.
I have received one comment now. (Not yours!) The commenter was helpful in explaining that my image did not meet the person's criteria for an art category. The person was very specific about what was missing. I really didn't know the art category was so specific. But, now I know. And, now I know I don't do the kind of photography specified in the comment, nor could I make the images the person specified. (But, no mention of such specifics in the challenge description.) It was my mistake for entering the art challenge without knowing the narrow rules. |
The "narrow rules" that define what is and is not art are as wide and varied in number as their are artists and art lovers. The simple definition is, "I can't tell you want 'art' is but I know it when I see it."
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01/25/2017 03:06:28 AM · #61 |
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01/25/2017 10:41:04 AM · #62 |
Originally posted by MAK:
Art is subjective |
then why are we having a contest? why is this website "contest" based? |
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01/25/2017 10:55:08 AM · #63 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Originally posted by MAK:
Art is subjective |
then why are we having a contest? why is this website "contest" based? |
For the fun of it |
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01/25/2017 10:57:41 AM · #64 |
| I really liked my photo and wound up on the last page. My take-away- I'm learning something new everyday and want to thank everyone who took the time to look and vote. Thank you. |
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01/25/2017 03:34:00 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by Cyrilda:
I really liked my photo and wound up on the last page. ... |
Although yours was on the last page, it was still three notches higher than an image I gave a score of nine. Just sayin' folks have their own individual taste and evaluation criteria. Page placement is not the final arbiter of value. |
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01/25/2017 04:46:05 PM · #66 |
Stupid double post! LOL!!!
Message edited by author 2017-01-25 16:47:28.
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01/25/2017 04:46:09 PM · #67 |
The art challenges have become a litmus test for my personal growth as it relates to expanding my photographic world.
I have to say that for the longest time I not only felt that I had zero artistic ability, but that I couldn't recognize art in photography either.
I finished this year at the top of the bottom third, 97/148, with a 5.3107.
But I got five comments, and every one was from someone whose artistic "qualifications" I admire and respect.
That's why I enter......because I want to see if I, like Jake, can develop my own abilities to stumble onto, and recognize the artistry in my own images.
This affords me a different way of looking at the world and how I shoot as well.
Once again, I have grown through the help and encouragement of this community. It amazes me how even after ten years I *still* grow here.
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01/25/2017 04:54:59 PM · #68 |
For those worrying about not getting comments. You might get a few. As those who signed up to write essays have not yet posted theirs under the photos yet. It should be fun to see. Sit tight for a few more days ;)
Message edited by author 2017-01-25 16:58:22. |
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01/25/2017 04:56:01 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Zero comments! I guess my image is being spurned because it is not considered "art" by the elite. This will be my last "art" challenge. |
Richard, you *are* one of the elite! Not too many people can hold a candle to your talents for landscapes and wildlife in the Rockies. I sigh, and feel a twinge of envy when I see what seems like your effortless ability to convey the majesty of where you live. Your work is stellar.
So you stepped out of your comfort zone and it didn't turn out how you wanted/hoped/expected.
Don't lose any sleep over it, and do continue to give it a go here and there. Just lower your hopes and expectations so that it's not as frustrating. If you don't expect too much from yourself in a genre that's not familiar to you, it's a lot easier to stomach the curve.
Just my perspective.......YMMV.
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01/25/2017 05:08:08 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Zero comments! I guess my image is being spurned because it is not considered "art" by the elite. This will be my last "art" challenge. |
Richard, you *are* one of the elite! Not too many people can hold a candle to your talents for landscapes and wildlife in the Rockies. I sigh, and feel a twinge of envy when I see what seems like your effortless ability to convey the majesty of where you live. Your work is stellar.
So you stepped out of your comfort zone and it didn't turn out how you wanted/hoped/expected. |
I wish I had Richard's problem. I've just realised that my "Art of..." entries have all scored way over my (rather low) average score. I guess I'm just not that good at "real" photography.
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01/25/2017 05:21:50 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by Techo:
For those worrying about not getting comments. You might get a few. As those who signed up to write essays have not yet posted theirs under the photos yet. It should be fun to see. Sit tight for a few more days ;) |
I'm thinking.... ONE more day! woohoo! |
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01/25/2017 08:17:20 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Zero comments! I guess my image is being spurned because it is not considered "art" by the elite. This will be my last "art" challenge. |
Richard, you *are* one of the elite! Not too many people can hold a candle to your talents for landscapes and wildlife in the Rockies. I sigh, and feel a twinge of envy when I see what seems like your effortless ability to convey the majesty of where you live. Your work is stellar.
So you stepped out of your comfort zone and it didn't turn out how you wanted/hoped/expected.
Don't lose any sleep over it, and do continue to give it a go here and there. Just lower your hopes and expectations so that it's not as frustrating. If you don't expect too much from yourself in a genre that's not familiar to you, it's a lot easier to stomach the curve.
Just my perspective.......YMMV. |
Thanks, but I don't have a clue what "avant garde" looks like. And, as far as "blurry", I always endeavor to avoid. So, my brain is not wired to be an artist. I'll have to settle for being a photographer. I do appreciate your comments and encouragement. |
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01/25/2017 09:03:04 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Zero comments! I guess my image is being spurned because it is not considered "art" by the elite. This will be my last "art" challenge. |
Richard, you *are* one of the elite! Not too many people can hold a candle to your talents for landscapes and wildlife in the Rockies. I sigh, and feel a twinge of envy when I see what seems like your effortless ability to convey the majesty of where you live. Your work is stellar.
So you stepped out of your comfort zone and it didn't turn out how you wanted/hoped/expected.
Don't lose any sleep over it, and do continue to give it a go here and there. Just lower your hopes and expectations so that it's not as frustrating. If you don't expect too much from yourself in a genre that's not familiar to you, it's a lot easier to stomach the curve.
Just my perspective.......YMMV. |
Thanks, but I don't have a clue what "avant garde" looks like. And, as far as "blurry", I always endeavor to avoid. So, my brain is not wired to be an artist. I'll have to settle for being a photographer. I do appreciate your comments and encouragement. |
As you say, it's a way of seeing. I looked at you image (which, BTW, finished about 25 places ahead of my blurry entry :-) ), and I wonder if it would have been seen as "more artistic" if cropped from the right to just behind the second fin, where the water creates a great natural blur, with that somewhat anomalous long shape exiting the frame to the left, contrasting with the field of rounded color shapes.
As a "wildlife photographer," you want to show the viewer a fish, as presumably as "accurately" as possible.
As an "artist" I think you want to make them ask "why is it like that/why is that thing there?" |
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01/25/2017 09:28:00 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Zero comments! I guess my image is being spurned because it is not considered "art" by the elite. This will be my last "art" challenge. |
Richard, you *are* one of the elite! Not too many people can hold a candle to your talents for landscapes and wildlife in the Rockies. I sigh, and feel a twinge of envy when I see what seems like your effortless ability to convey the majesty of where you live. Your work is stellar.
So you stepped out of your comfort zone and it didn't turn out how you wanted/hoped/expected.
Don't lose any sleep over it, and do continue to give it a go here and there. Just lower your hopes and expectations so that it's not as frustrating. If you don't expect too much from yourself in a genre that's not familiar to you, it's a lot easier to stomach the curve.
Just my perspective.......YMMV. |
Thanks, but I don't have a clue what "avant garde" looks like. And, as far as "blurry", I always endeavor to avoid. So, my brain is not wired to be an artist. I'll have to settle for being a photographer. I do appreciate your comments and encouragement. |
As you say, it's a way of seeing. I looked at you image (which, BTW, finished about 25 places ahead of my blurry entry :-) ), and I wonder if it would have been seen as "more artistic" if cropped from the right to just behind the second fin, where the water creates a great natural blur, with that somewhat anomalous long shape exiting the frame to the left, contrasting with the field of rounded color shapes.
As a "wildlife photographer," you want to show the viewer a fish, as presumably as "accurately" as possible.
As an "artist" I think you want to make them ask "why is it like that/why is that thing there?" |
Well said! Of course, I am the former, rather than the latter. But, I catch your drift. (I'm the classic... You can't teach an old dog new tricks.) |
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01/26/2017 01:25:17 AM · #75 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Zero comments! I guess my image is being spurned because it is not considered "art" by the elite. This will be my last "art" challenge. |
Richard, you *are* one of the elite! Not too many people can hold a candle to your talents for landscapes and wildlife in the Rockies. I sigh, and feel a twinge of envy when I see what seems like your effortless ability to convey the majesty of where you live. Your work is stellar.
So you stepped out of your comfort zone and it didn't turn out how you wanted/hoped/expected.
Don't lose any sleep over it, and do continue to give it a go here and there. Just lower your hopes and expectations so that it's not as frustrating. If you don't expect too much from yourself in a genre that's not familiar to you, it's a lot easier to stomach the curve.
Just my perspective.......YMMV. |
Thanks, but I don't have a clue what "avant garde" looks like. And, as far as "blurry", I always endeavor to avoid. So, my brain is not wired to be an artist. I'll have to settle for being a photographer. I do appreciate your comments and encouragement. |
Hi Richard, what I think I missed out in my comment was what I perceive as the history of the Art challenges. I suppose my internal reference points are pointing back to the 'Fine Art' challenges that we have had and how (in my mind) they have emerged from a perspective of valuing an alternative aesthetic. I routinely look at Blur magazine, COOPH and Lensculture and those sites provide much material that shape one's view of photography. I also use 1x a lot and I suspect we would both find stuff we like there.
In terms of your photography, you know that I admire it greatly - I recently had a go at some landscape work and (as ever) found the whole shooting through editing process really difficult. I did remember the advice you gave me some years ago and ensured that I shot an image that I wouldn't need to rotate an iota; conscious of how that immediately sacrifices sharpness; but I remain conscious that my landscape work requires much improvement.
In many ways, I see the 'Art' challenges as a 'in the style of' challenge, where the style is derived from those web sources above and as I said in my comment from the Posthumous thread. We have a 'Best of 2016' challenge and thus by definition the 'Art of 2016' should be something else. I have interpreted it as the alternative aesthetic challenge type we have a tradition for from time to time. |
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