If you don't vote, you don't count.

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 28-200mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED

05/30/2016 09:40:56 AM · #26

Originally posted by jomari:

I suspect that people who don't vote don't read the forums either.

some of us are just here for the forums.

some of us cant vote on some challenges because we aren't paying members.

Message edited by author 2016-05-30 09:42:05.

Tiny

Apple iPad mini 4

05/30/2016 10:23:34 AM · #27

i looking forward to being a non paying member so that i can't vote on some challenges

MeMex2

Nikon Z7II

05/30/2016 11:02:44 AM · #28

I am finding voting to be increasingly painful. As participation is way down and DP seems so fragile at the moment I find that I am giving higher votes to images that
I normally and truthfully would not have. I find that I am voting in some way as an encouragement to people who are at least making the effort and putting in the time.

I have always felt that the pathologically low voters have sabotaged the site and I guess I am trying to compensate for that which I know is completely nuts and
also makes voting a chore and not at all spontaneous and honest.

PennyStreet

Olympus OM-D E-M1

Olympus 17mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko

05/30/2016 11:45:48 AM · #29

Originally posted by MeMex2:

Tis a shame and to some extent, at least, I agree. It does get harder as time goes on, especially when I finish voting on a challenge and realize that there's only maybe one image that I found compelling in a particular gallery. But, for the images that I DO find interest in, I still feel there is a lot to enjoy here and I do still marvel and learn from some of the techniques. And of course there's the knowledge that this IS a competition site that wouldn't exist if nobody votes... so I roll up my sleeves and get it done. That said, a little breather is never a bad thing:)

primabarbara

Fujifilm X-T1

Fujifilm XF 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 R LM OIS WR

05/30/2016 05:08:41 PM · #30

Originally posted by PennyStreet:

that this IS a competition site that wouldn't exist if nobody votes...

That's right. And with only a small number of entries voting isn't as time consuming as it used to be.

Glass V · Standard Editing
1 day and 7 hours left · you rated 60 of 60 entries (100%) · Thank you for voting!

Town or City Scape · Standard Editing
3 days and 7 hours left · you rated 44 of 44 entries (100%) · Thank you for voting!

Goofy Faces · Standard Editing
6 days and 7 hours left · you rated 30 of 30 entries (100%) · Thank you for voting!

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 28-200mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED

05/31/2016 02:06:45 PM · #31

this place has become too diluted - too many challenges. if you spent any serious amount of time here you know it gets stale because really after a few years its just a repeat.

I still enjoy looking at images but I also dont feel like sorting through the mediocrity that comes from the same group of people entering so many challenges.

i think it might be time to pull it back to one per week or one every two weeks or make them 10day challenges.

MeMex2

Nikon Z7II

05/31/2016 04:02:31 PM · #32

I agree Mike. There are too many challenges. If it was scaled back to one a week it might become special again.
There might be more entries and more voting if it weren't constant.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

05/31/2016 04:16:44 PM · #33

Originally posted by MeMex2:

I agree Mike. There are too many challenges. If it was scaled back to one a week it might become special again.

As one who has always tried to submit to every challenge, I can pretty much agree there are too many. :-)

When the site began having paid memberships, Langdon committed to "always" having the original weekly open challenge; the additional challenges were gradually added as "perks" for the paid members.

So, which of the other challenges do you think should be scaled-back? What would be your "ideal" schedule?

05/31/2016 06:27:51 PM · #34

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by MeMex2:
I agree Mike. There are too many challenges. If it was scaled back to one a week it might become special again.

As one who has always tried to submit to every challenge, I can pretty much agree there are too many. :-)

When the site began having paid memberships, Langdon committed to "always" having the original weekly open challenge; the additional challenges were gradually added as "perks" for the paid members.

So, which of the other challenges do you think should be scaled-back? What would be your "ideal" schedule?

"Scaled back" would mean less for my money.

And... I'm not a fan of that.

I think that people enter as many challenges as they "are able"/"want to".

Giving people less chance to enter does not seem like a "plus" to me.

05/31/2016 07:53:18 PM · #35

i disagree. i would might become a paying member again if the competition and overall quality increased. i want to win a ribbon by beating out 100+ entries, not 30.

if it were me, I'd have:

one monthly free study (expert editing)

and alternate 2 - two week challenges (say minimum and standard editing).

shorten the voting to 3-5 days.

maybe mix in a speed challenge here and there that are only a day or two.

Message edited by author 2016-05-31 19:55:33.

Olympus 17mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko

05/31/2016 08:04:54 PM · #36

I feel a "site vote" coming up. :D

glad2badad

DJI Mavic Air 2

Sears 55mm f/1.4 M42

05/31/2016 08:06:54 PM · #37

One monthly free study (~~expert~~ standard editing) - please.

Plus, whatever ...

PennyStreet

Olympus OM-D E-M1

05/31/2016 08:17:27 PM · #38

Originally posted by Mike:

shorten the voting to 3-5 days?

In August 2015 when you last entered... did you vote?

Have you voted since?

I do think all ideas, yours included, are worth considering, but I'd like to know that if things were changed because of your suggestions that you would participate fully in the results.

Message edited by author 2016-05-31 20:18:16.

05/31/2016 08:34:52 PM · #39

Originally posted by PennyStreet:

Originally posted by Mike:

shorten the voting to 3-5 days?

In August 2015 when you last entered... did you vote?

Have you voted since?

I do think all ideas, yours included, are worth considering, but I'd like to know that if things were changed because of your suggestions that you would participate fully in the results.

I'll participate in challenges and voting when I feel compelled to.

fwiw..

Challenges Entered: 140
Votes Cast: 12,569
Votes Received: 17,733

Message edited by author 2016-05-31 20:44:22.

05/31/2016 09:08:05 PM · #40

Where did the rest of the comments on this thread go??

Samsung Galaxy S21, S21+, S21 Ultra

05/31/2016 09:37:06 PM · #41

If SC deleted them, shouldn't you have a comment that you did it?

Bear_Music

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

05/31/2016 09:54:41 PM · #42

Originally posted by Lydia:

If SC deleted them, shouldn't you have a comment that you did it?

I'm not seeing any hidden/deleted posts on this thread, and I'd be able to if there were any...

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 28-200mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED

05/31/2016 10:10:02 PM · #43

Oh. You're right!

That was //www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=1323981

My bad.

Message edited by author 2016-05-31 22:21:25.

MeMex2

Nikon Z7II

05/31/2016 10:15:12 PM · #44

The participation and voting has been going down to the point where this site is going to fade away.
Let's try something..anything to make it more interesting and if that means fewer challenges and a shorter voting period, let's try it.

It is so strange...hundreds of people read this thread and so few comment. Apathy is going to sink this ship.

salmiakki

Sony Alpha a7R III

Sony Sonnar T* 35mm F2.8 ZA

05/31/2016 10:39:37 PM · #45

Originally posted by MeMex2:

Let's try something..anything to make it more interesting and if that means fewer challenges and a shorter voting period, let's try it.

I quite like the idea of a shorter voting period.

gipper11

Canon EOS-1D X

Canon EF 50mm f1.8

05/31/2016 10:41:54 PM · #46

Originally posted by Mike:

I've said this before and I'll say it again, the reason why you're seeing the same photos over and over is because of the timeframe allowed to take the photograph. If the timeframe was extended to a few weeks or a few months then people would be able to take photographs outside their home area. I've noticed that some of the winners continually submit photographs of the same objects, places, animals and such because I assume to take the photograph within the week allowed does not give them time to travel to other locations. I think it's hogwash that you�re lazy if you can't take the photograph in a weeks� time. I continually take photographs of where ever I go and wouldn't mind showing them off on a weekly basis. I know some of the old folks here think it's lazy and unproductive to use photographs taken in the past. I like taking them, I like looking at them and I like critiquing them but I don't like seeing the same things over and over again by the same people that is what gets stale in my opinion.
If you want voters then I suggest opening up the voting to members and nonmembers alike. Nonmembers, meaning nonpaying members should be able to cast their votes and make critiques the same as anyone else, maybe the voting would increase and the quality of the votes would also increase. That�s just my opinion, which probably doesn�t amount to a hill of beans.

mariuca

Fujifilm X-T30

Fujifilm XF 18-55mm f/2.8-4 OIS

05/31/2016 10:47:21 PM · #47

I vote on ALL challenges and make a few comments

Have no idea how to interpret figures and I seldom look at the balance of my scores but at a glance, it seems to me that in the last few months I got a lot more viewers at the Free Studies and Expert Free. Cannot figure out a pattern but at the Technically flawed challenge for instance, I got 44 voted, 120 viewers during voting and 233 since voting. Same pattern (if there is one indeed) for the Expert Free: 56 votes, 111 viewers during voting and 298 after....
At the Fine Arts challenge just ended the figures follow the trend: 75 votes (a lot more than the norm) 162 viewers during voting and 104 after....

Smarter people can find probably a certain correlation but it seems to me that the Free studies, Art and Flawed (for that matter) are favored

salmiakki

Sony Alpha a7R III

Sony Sonnar T* 35mm F2.8 ZA

05/31/2016 10:49:30 PM · #48

Originally posted by gipper11:

If you want voters then I suggest opening up the voting to members and nonmembers alike. Nonmembers, meaning nonpaying members should be able to cast their votes and make critiques the same as anyone else, maybe the voting would increase and the quality of the votes would also increase. That�s just my opinion, which probably doesn�t amount to a hill of beans.

Non Members can already vote in the open challenges - why should they get to vote in other challenges too? I don't think it would make a huge difference.

We actually need the people who enter the challenges to vote. All those folk who have received more votes than given means they are not actually giving any votes, but are expecting others to vote on their entries. Seems inequitable to me.

Message edited by author 2016-05-31 22:50:08.