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10/27/2015 02:42:06 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by Tiny:
I give in, I will now follow the trend and neither vote nor comment. |
Noooooooooooooooo! I love getting  Tiny comments. Come back, Neil! |
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10/27/2015 03:14:04 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by MichaelC:
It appears some members do not quite understand how entering a challenge on DPC works. I say this as I have received a PM requesting me NOT to comment on their pictures. |
Sorry.......IMNSHO this is a person who definitely does NOT belong here.
Obviously, first and foremost, they don't have a clue about the community. Secondly, they have no idea what the original intent of the site was all about. Third, if they ndo not want comments, why on earth would you display an image at all? |
On the other hand, the PM may have been from a person new to the site who is not yet familiar with our customs and traditions. We might bear in mind that other sites do have the option of "no comments" on entries.
So, perhaps once the learning curve is complete, this new person may actually become a valued and important part of our community. |
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10/27/2015 03:21:58 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
So, perhaps once the learning curve is complete, this new person may actually become a valued and important part of our community. |
Good point...
I had a knee-jerk reaction based on the frustration of the whole concept of someone in this community not wanting comments.
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10/27/2015 10:09:09 PM · #54 |
It's rather myopic to think that the only reason that someone is commenting is strictly for the photographers edification. I send the happy "I love it!!" comments to the ones that are my favorites. I don't really learn anything from those comments, except I guess I'm learning what my tastes are. But I also figure the photographer might be happy that someone appreciated their photo.
Otherwise, I learn the most from commenting on photos that don't make much impression on me, where I don't like the processing, composition, where I think they could have done better. By analyzing what hits me as wrong in a photo, I learn more about composition, post processing, subject, pov, etc. Why didn't this speak to me? Could they have done something different that would have saved it? Or was it doomed to start?
My thoughts and ideas may not be interesting to all who receive the comments. But I learn a lot by taking the time to think it through and bothering to see it through to the thought's conclusion.
And as long as I did, why not put it in the comment field? After all, that was the catalyst that caused the thought process in the first place.
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10/27/2015 10:15:08 PM · #55 |
| I comment on the photos that I learn from. |
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10/27/2015 10:27:24 PM · #56 |
Once again Wendy has been more eloquent than I in voicing my exact thoughts.
I have only recently started commenting on scores I award under 5 and while at first it was intimidating I now find it liberating, but be warned there are consequences.
And as I have always stated, a comment (including mine) reveals more about the commenter than what it was referring to. |
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10/28/2015 02:35:53 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by MichaelC:
And as I have always stated, a comment (including mine) reveals more about the commenter than what it was referring to. |
That sounds ike self-flagellation!
Grinnin' & duckin'!!!
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10/28/2015 03:50:03 PM · #58 |
| Just got an anonymous comment stating two shortfalls of a current entry - gratefully received. |
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10/28/2015 05:07:29 PM · #59 |
I remember every constructive critic I have ever gotten and I have learned from each one of them. I had a photo published on 1x and put it into a Free Study here. Someone criticized
the straightness of the vertical lines and when I went back and put it into a grid, the lines were off. It is something I check every time I process a photo.
Having said that, I find it difficult to critique something that may not fall into 'traditional" standards because there are so many people who break rules to express their art. How can you
criticize over exposure, under exposure, softness, noise etc when people are breaking so called rules to express themselves ? The image either has impact or not. For that reason I tend to comment
only on stuff that I love. If I ever give someone anything below a 4 I try to explain myself. It does not happen often. |
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10/28/2015 05:47:40 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by MeMex2:
How can you criticize over exposure, under exposure, softness, noise etc when people are breaking so called rules to express themselves ? The image either has impact or not. |
It's easy -- you don't say "this is underexposed" but rather "I think I'd have liked this more if it was lighter overall" ... just express your opinion about what YOU like/don't like while acknowledging that the photographer's intent may follow another esthetic.
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10/28/2015 06:03:14 PM · #61 |
| good point! I'll try to frame things that way. |
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10/29/2015 07:29:45 AM · #62 |
I've struggled to comment over the past few months due to 'life' but with everything settling down I hope to get more involved again. I may have had time comment on a few if I was prepared to pick out the outstanding photographs and limit my comments to 'fab' or 'beautiful' or striking.....
But from my own perspective, I comment the way I want to be commented on. In particular I want to understand why someone gave me a score of five or below; what could I have done to improve the image? So I comment that way as well in as much as I dont limit comments to the upper scores. If I have time I comment on ALL the images. If short on time I just work on the first twenty I come across (the Melethia concept). This pushes me to think really, really hard about the whys and the wherefores of a low score. And I ask myself if I could justify my views to the photographer if they challenged it. I have had to do this once to a disgruntled recipient who suggested that being a novice I had no right to criticise..... I have reconciled this with the fact that, although I am only a beginner, I still have the right to a view. :-) The recipient can choose to ignore it (especially if they think beginners' opinions dont count) or, and I'm up for this, have a grown up discussion to explain why my opinion might be worth revisiting.
I had four comments on my last entry which came in at 5.47. All were very much appreciated and thank you to those who wrote them. Two gave me suggestions to improve future captures which were really helpful and I have, hopefully, taken on board for the future.
So, in answer to the question...I'm inbound! |
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10/31/2015 02:30:26 PM · #63 |
I hate to comment on the images that don't work for me......maybe I should....
Tell me why.
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10/31/2015 03:57:50 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I hate to comment on the images that don't work for me......maybe I should....
Tell me why. |
1. By being able to articulate why an image "doesn't work" for you it is more likely you will (consciously or sub-consciously) avoid those undesirable (to you) aspects when you are faced with photographing a similar scene or theme.
2. If the photographer has any interest in "improving" their photography they will appreciate your comment, whether or not they agree with it ... it is possible that the negative reaction you experienced actually means they've succeeded in expressing their artistic vision -- art is not infrequently confusing disturbing, especially on initial or casual viewing. |
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10/31/2015 05:26:01 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I hate to comment on the images that don't work for me......maybe I should....
Tell me why. |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
1. By being able to articulate why an image "doesn't work" for you it is more likely you will (consciously or sub-consciously) avoid those undesirable (to you) aspects when you are faced with photographing a similar scene or theme. |
That makes sense....
Originally posted by GeneralE:
2. If the photographer has any interest in "improving" their photography they will appreciate your comment, whether or not they agree with it ... it is possible that the negative reaction you experienced actually means they've succeeded in expressing their artistic vision -- art is not infrequently confusing disturbing, especially on initial or casual viewing. |
Yeah......I guess I get that. I've had comments suggesting that something I did wasn't a desirable thing. But it was what I had intended. I guess that just means that what I had done simply didn't resonate for that viewer.
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