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07/27/2015 09:04:21 AM · #76 |
Lurking in the deep for far too long has probably restored a bit my faith in voters, but here goes. I do believe that creativity is rewarded. If not by scores, then by the comments and connections you do with people.
I'm not the best technically, not even by a long shot, but I have some hair-brained ideas, and most don't work. Then occasionally, one does. But you had to go through them in order to find out.
This:  is a piece of c**p technically; I'm even appalled at the wrong things in here. Yet, I had this idea in the back of my head, and it made me grab a group of people who were very happy to participate. And it led to doing some spinoffs on my own, for no challenge whatsoever.
And you do get extra points for creativity, as an example by this great shot from Judi:  . Here it's not the technicality that moves me, is the passion for doing such a shot.
Again, maybe you don't get the rewards in points, but I guarantee it's there ;) |
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07/27/2015 10:49:06 AM · #77 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Originally posted by Ecce_Signum:
Just so I understand, are we talking about a full copy of somebody elses photograph or simply having a similar photograph to somebody else but following a similar theme?
I'm pretty sure that most of the 'unique' images seen her can be found elsewhere (somewhere). In fact if you look at last dozen or so challenge results the only images that I can truly say I've not seen "similar" versions of before are expert challenge images that are not really photographs anymore (and they may well be total rip offs of others work for all I know). |
Really, I'll take that on... please review MY last dozen or so images and tell me if you find "similar" versions out there anywhere. |
Penny, I probably worded it badly but meant the the site front page - challenge results page - but might just take a look at yours later if you like.
Originally posted by sarampo:
Lurking in the deep for far too long has probably restored a bit my faith in voters, but here goes. I do believe that creativity is rewarded. If not by scores, then by the comments and connections you do with people.
I'm not the best technically, not even by a long shot, but I have some hair-brained ideas, and most don't work. Then occasionally, one does. But you had to go through them in order to find out.
This: is a piece of c**p technically; I'm even appalled at the wrong things in here. Yet, I had this idea in the back of my head, and it made me grab a group of people who were very happy to participate. And it led to doing some spinoffs on my own, for no challenge whatsoever.
And you do get extra points for creativity, as an example by this great shot from Judi: . Here it's not the technicality that moves me, is the passion for doing such a shot.
Again, maybe you don't get the rewards in points, but I guarantee it's there ;) |
It would appear that I might be struggling with the term 'creativity' here. For me both images can be classed as 'creative' but neither is new to my mind and seen similar before (although to be honest I googled women under water).
So, I feel both the above are creative however 'similar' images can be found that pre date them - are they any less creative because of that? Do they 'create' a new type of image that the photographer should call their own and not want copied in any way?
I guess we all have different opinions of what is truly new in photography. For me, I'll stick to voting images that I like higher than ones that I don't like so much regardless of how 'creative' the image may be. |
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07/27/2015 10:57:02 AM · #78 |
Photography wasn't my first choice when it came to making images or so-called art. In fact, it always seemed "easy" being that the subject was there - it was just a matter of photographing it.
As you might guess, my opinion has changed. But it remains somewhat challenging for me to determine what is in fact "creative" when it comes to photographs. Because there are meaningful photographs that involved very little creativity. Here however, in weekly challenges, those sort of photos are somewhat rare IMHO. So I typically am giving major bonus points for images that engage me with a creative touch.
In regard to creative art, I always thought performance art and installations were the highest form of art. The kind of stuff where there was no frame, no canvas, just mystery and discovery I guess.
So for me, I suppose, discovering something or being left wondering is an excellent sign that a photograph means something - it engaged me; it inspired me; it stuck with me. |
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07/27/2015 12:08:11 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by jagar:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I need to re-evaluate what I'm doing, I think, and start working from my own, instead of external, motivations. I used to have those once. I liked them :-) |
I believe Robert that this is the most important thing for all of us here, if we can find our own creativity without being influenced by the judgmental nature of the scores here at DPC, not only will we our photography progress but it would be a breath of fresh air to the site in general. I mean you know that there is something wrong with you and the site when like me you walk into a rather prestigious photo exhibition with some of the most respected photographers from Europe and you start saying to yourself "that would get a 4.5, that might reach a 5" and then it hits you nothing in the exhibition could ever get a top ten at DPC because they ask to many questions, they touch too many emotions, they are too original. |
This is a good point however Ive never walked into an art gallery or museum looked at a picture and said. "yep. Summertime meal" "I see it. This is entirely silhouette at night"...
Dpc isn't an art competition. The voters expect to see stock images. |
I agree that the DPC ribbon winners look more like stock photography than meaningful art and that most good/meaningful photographs (being shown in prestigious photo exhibitions) would score under 5 on DPC. Luckily there is a group of people on this site that feel the same way and many of them have been working tirelessly (Don especially) to reward and encourage those of us that are trying to make more meaningful photographs. I am grateful to them. |
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07/27/2015 12:09:57 PM · #80 |
i felt this was written by someone who was involved in this thread...
it was posted today (or late yesterday)
SMBC |
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07/27/2015 12:23:31 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by RyanW:
I know my inspiration for photography - it's my memory. My grandparents had bad memory, even alzheimers; my father has really bad memory, and I (even as young at when I was 22/23) started forgetting things, little at first, but it was enough - I decided that when something important was going to be happening, I wanted to be able to have Good pictures of it. That, to me, is the beauty and the gift of photography - the ability to perfectly capture a memory, physically, so that I don't have to rely on my own faulty human capacity for memory. |
Ryan, that is a compelling reason to take photos. I urge you to journal also, if you're not already. Without memory, some of those photos might lose meaning. |
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07/27/2015 12:25:20 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by RyanW:
i felt this was written by someone who was involved in this thread...
it was posted today (or late yesterday)
SMBC |
well said. I would say the same thing about creating art. As soon as you become an "adult" creativity seems to lose all legitimacy. |
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07/27/2015 01:21:43 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by 2mccs:
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by jagar:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I need to re-evaluate what I'm doing, I think, and start working from my own, instead of external, motivations. I used to have those once. I liked them :-) |
I believe Robert that this is the most important thing for all of us here, if we can find our own creativity without being influenced by the judgmental nature of the scores here at DPC, not only will we our photography progress but it would be a breath of fresh air to the site in general. I mean you know that there is something wrong with you and the site when like me you walk into a rather prestigious photo exhibition with some of the most respected photographers from Europe and you start saying to yourself "that would get a 4.5, that might reach a 5" and then it hits you nothing in the exhibition could ever get a top ten at DPC because they ask to many questions, they touch too many emotions, they are too original. |
This is a good point however Ive never walked into an art gallery or museum looked at a picture and said. "yep. Summertime meal" "I see it. This is entirely silhouette at night"...
Dpc isn't an art competition. The voters expect to see stock images. |
I agree that the DPC ribbon winners look more like stock photography than meaningful art and that most good/meaningful photographs (being shown in prestigious photo exhibitions) would score under 5 on DPC. Luckily there is a group of people on this site that feel the same way and many of them have been working tirelessly (Don especially) to reward and encourage those of us that are trying to make more meaningful photographs. I am grateful to them. |
If it weren't for those people tunnelling underneath all the superficial crap that's on show here, i for one wouldn't be here for an instant, thanks all of you, you know who you are. |
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07/27/2015 01:32:19 PM · #84 |
And you actually made a good point that probably has been raised before, but only occurred to me now. For a toddler, everything is new. When the toddler first does a castle made of cubes, it's creativity (regardless if all others before him did the same).
The more images we see, the more exposed we are, the higher the chances that you've seen this picture before.
For some people it might be beating a dead horse, but others haven't seen it before, and will rate it highly. I guess ignorance is bliss indeed. :)
Originally posted by Ecce_Signum:
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Originally posted by Ecce_Signum:
Just so I understand, are we talking about a full copy of somebody elses photograph or simply having a similar photograph to somebody else but following a similar theme?
I'm pretty sure that most of the 'unique' images seen her can be found elsewhere (somewhere). In fact if you look at last dozen or so challenge results the only images that I can truly say I've not seen "similar" versions of before are expert challenge images that are not really photographs anymore (and they may well be total rip offs of others work for all I know). |
Really, I'll take that on... please review MY last dozen or so images and tell me if you find "similar" versions out there anywhere. |
Penny, I probably worded it badly but meant the the site front page - challenge results page - but might just take a look at yours later if you like.
Originally posted by sarampo:
Lurking in the deep for far too long has probably restored a bit my faith in voters, but here goes. I do believe that creativity is rewarded. If not by scores, then by the comments and connections you do with people.
I'm not the best technically, not even by a long shot, but I have some hair-brained ideas, and most don't work. Then occasionally, one does. But you had to go through them in order to find out.
This: is a piece of c**p technically; I'm even appalled at the wrong things in here. Yet, I had this idea in the back of my head, and it made me grab a group of people who were very happy to participate. And it led to doing some spinoffs on my own, for no challenge whatsoever.
And you do get extra points for creativity, as an example by this great shot from Judi: . Here it's not the technicality that moves me, is the passion for doing such a shot.
Again, maybe you don't get the rewards in points, but I guarantee it's there ;) |
It would appear that I might be struggling with the term 'creativity' here. For me both images can be classed as 'creative' but neither is new to my mind and seen similar before (although to be honest I googled women under water).
So, I feel both the above are creative however 'similar' images can be found that pre date them - are they any less creative because of that? Do they 'create' a new type of image that the photographer should call their own and not want copied in any way?
I guess we all have different opinions of what is truly new in photography. For me, I'll stick to voting images that I like higher than ones that I don't like so much regardless of how 'creative' the image may be. |
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