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Samsung Galaxy S21, S21+, S21 Ultra

05/18/2015 12:06:18 PM · #1

I ask because I'd love to use other photographers images for expert challenge composite work. ???

I thought all of the photos used had to be taken personally. It's cool if you don't have to ... would be a good thing for all of us to know.

Thanks.

Edit to add ... not a big deal to ask I'm hoping as this placed in the Top 5 and requires validation anyway.

Message edited by author 2015-05-18 12:08:46.

smardaz

05/18/2015 12:10:21 PM · #2

I'm guessing this rule:

"You may include existing artwork in your entry, but photo-realistic artwork such as printed photos, monitor images or realistic illustrations must either be clearly presented as artwork or used only as a minor supporting element. Using photo-realistic artwork to simulate physical objects or backgrounds that provide the primary impact of an entry will be grounds for disqualification."

Bear_Music

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

05/18/2015 12:24:57 PM · #3

At the moment it's an unproven submission; we've only received originals for validation on 2 of the top-5 so far, and this isn't one of them.

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D

05/18/2015 12:40:35 PM · #4

Originally posted by smardaz:

Ok. That makes sense. Totally blew past me ... I guess it seems different when the photos used are from a source you know. Thanks.

Tiny

Apple iPad mini 4

05/18/2015 12:41:03 PM · #5

taken and post-processed by you

Not really

Tiny

Apple iPad mini 4

05/18/2015 12:42:50 PM · #6

Yes really

Oh ok

tate

Apple iPhone 14 Pro

05/18/2015 12:44:46 PM · #7

Yes during voting I had to double-check the rule-set. But seems legal given this rule.

Originally posted by smardaz:

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S21, S21+, S21 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

05/18/2015 12:54:13 PM · #8

Originally posted by tate:

Yes during voting I had to double-check the rule-set. But seems legal given this rule.

Tsk, tsk... Whether it's legal or not is irrelevant when you're voting... That's for SC to figure out :-)

tate

Apple iPhone 14 Pro

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D

05/18/2015 01:15:08 PM · #9

But isn't that the stage at which I would click "Click here if you suspect a rules violation" ?

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by tate:
Yes during voting I had to double-check the rule-set. But seems legal given this rule.

Tsk, tsk... Whether it's legal or not is irrelevant when you're voting... That's for SC to figure out :-)

tanguera

Nikon D750

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED

05/18/2015 01:42:28 PM · #10

Originally posted by tate:

But isn't that the stage at which I would click "Click here if you suspect a rules violation" ?

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by tate:
Yes during voting I had to double-check the rule-set. But seems legal given this rule.

Tsk, tsk... Whether it's legal or not is irrelevant when you're voting... That's for SC to figure out :-)

Yes, absolutely. If there is every any question as to the legality of an image while in voting, please report it to SC; don't start a thread on it, LOL :)

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 50mm f/1.8G

05/18/2015 01:51:16 PM · #11

Originally posted by tanguera:

Originally posted by tate:
But isn't that the stage at which I would click "Click here if you suspect a rules violation" ?

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by tate:
Yes during voting I had to double-check the rule-set. But seems legal given this rule.

Tsk, tsk... Whether it's legal or not is irrelevant when you're voting... That's for SC to figure out :-)

Yes, absolutely. If there is every any question as to the legality of an image while in voting, please report it to SC; don't start a thread on it, LOL :)

But then we wouldn't be having this conversation. :-) Plus, obviously I did wait until after voting. Didn't actually think about the rules angle until reading some comments posted in the image thread this morning.

nygold

Nikon D5000

05/18/2015 02:49:01 PM · #12

So who's image was I voting on?

FromDaRock

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4L IS II USM Lens

05/18/2015 03:01:59 PM · #13

Yes, but that should have no impact on your vote. If it's not valid, your vote won't count anyway.

Originally posted by tate:

tanguera

Nikon D750

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED

05/19/2015 12:32:33 PM · #14

Because of the discussion in this thread, we have decided to elaborate a bit on why this image passed muster with SC:

1. It does not violate the Terms of Use (4.2 You will not use the DPChallenge.com Service to post content or to design, manufacture, market or sell a Product that (i) infringes the rights of a third party, including, without limitation, copyrights, trademarks, patents, trade secrets, rights of privacy and publicity...) because

Gyaban had given his permission for his images to be used.

2. The artwork (

Gyaban's images) is clearly presented as placed, pre-existing artwork. It is important to note that this was legal only because it was pre-existing artwork presented as such, was create in an Expert challenge which allows composites, and therefore is not subject to date or editing rules. Under any other scenario, shooting an image off the monitor to circumvent date or any other rules is a DQable offense.

3. The artwork in this case was actually photographed off the monitor, so we have valid EXIF on all components of the image.

Accordingly, the image meets our criteria under the Expert ruleset and has been validated.

Message edited by Bear_Music - added italics.

pixelpig

Sony Alpha a55

Sony DT 1.8/50mm SAM

05/19/2015 12:37:57 PM · #15

Good!