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09/24/2004 04:47:14 AM · #1 |
During the voting week you can receive different comments, some of those are like (I hope) "nice", "great picture", "good work" and so on..
How do you act? Do you check those as "helpful comment" or not? In my opinion the helpful comments are those where they explain the mistakes or the suggestions for taking a better photo. Could be interesting to add a "thanks for the comment" mark for the short comments without tecnical suggestion (and not helpfull for learnig). What do you think? Thanks!
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09/24/2004 04:48:46 AM · #2 |
Aye a big question that :D
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09/24/2004 04:53:30 AM · #3 |
I mark them as helpful mainly to encourage people to comment.
Message edited by author 2004-09-24 04:53:45.
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09/24/2004 04:56:37 AM · #4 |
| I find that even the word 'nice' is helpful because it lets me know someone likes my work and that helps my confidence with the next project :) |
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09/24/2004 05:47:24 AM · #5 |
It's just how you appreciate the comments I think. If you like those "nice", "great picture", "good work" comments and comments like that makes you feel good about your photo and your self, then I think it's encouraging and helpful. If you don't like comments like that, then they are propably not helpful for you.
I think most of us appreciate this kind of comments, it's better than not having them. Personally I like them. I think for me, maybe all positive comments are helpful and most of the negative ones also. There are very few comments that I haven't checked as helpful and I hope people that wrote them don't take it personal.
Imho most of the comments are positive. Even comments where people are pointing out some faults in the photos are often more helpful than the others, and you don't have to agree with them all the time. Most of the time, just to have people's reactions to my photos helps me in one way or another.
I think it's just too many people here that don't appreciate when we are trying to give constructive comments and when we're trying to point out some faults or something that can improve their photos. I have seen people that don't check my comments helpful when I am spending my time at their photos trying to point out the faults imo in few lines, trying to be constructive and say something positive at the same time. And for the same photos they check those "great photo"-comments helpful. It would be nice if people would then spend some time, just like me, and explain why they don't check my comments as helpful, that would be helpful again for me to understand why not.
Well maybe I can't complain, more than 80% of my comments have been checked as helpful, and even higher percentage if I would take out my comments on my own photos.
It's just nice to see that comments are appreciated and that is done by checking them as "helpful"
Message edited by author 2004-09-24 05:54:07.
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09/24/2004 05:53:36 AM · #6 |
On some sites, photographers can rate the comments they've received.
Personally, I rate all comments as helpful, simply because I used to overlook a few and the checkbox keeps me up-to-date. |
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09/24/2004 06:00:36 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by Koriyama:
On some sites, photographers can rate the comments they've received.
Personally, I rate all comments as helpful, simply because I used to overlook a few and the checkbox keeps me up-to-date. |
Me too - it's more of a 'photographer has read this comment' check box. Though I'm sure there are some I've missed.
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09/24/2004 06:45:51 AM · #8 |
I am one of those who will often simply write "Nice photo." or some such simply comment, although sometimes I make more indepth comments. But, the simple comments are better than no comments. I figure that telling someone they are doing a good job is fine, without always going into an in depth critique. That is just my way of doing things.
Originally posted by e301:
Originally posted by Koriyama:
On some sites, photographers can rate the comments they've received.
Personally, I rate all comments as helpful, simply because I used to overlook a few and the checkbox keeps me up-to-date. |
Me too - it's more of a 'photographer has read this comment' check box. Though I'm sure there are some I've missed. |
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09/24/2004 07:17:16 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by e301:
Though I'm sure there are some I've missed. |
Mmmm...."Telephony" springs to mind for some reason. :)
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09/24/2004 08:17:55 AM · #10 |
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09/24/2004 08:19:48 AM · #11 |
Oh - I had seen it, just hadn't marked it.
And congratulations Gordon on your new camera.
E
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09/24/2004 08:53:01 AM · #12 |
I'll mark most as helpful unless they make an opinion call that is based on the fact that they don't like the subject in the shot.
For example, ericlimon left a comment to my entry on "once in a blue moon" (mine was the blue steel handgun) that simply said "sorry, i hate guns." Didn't mark it helpful 'cause, well, it wasn't. It wasn't a comment to the content of the picture but rather to the subject itself. |
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09/24/2004 09:54:23 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by RobCoursey:
I'll mark most as helpful unless they make an opinion call that is based on the fact that they don't like the subject in the shot.
For example, ericlimon left a comment to my entry on "once in a blue moon" (mine was the blue steel handgun) that simply said "sorry, i hate guns." Didn't mark it helpful 'cause, well, it wasn't. It wasn't a comment to the content of the picture but rather to the subject itself. |
It lets you know that there are some (at least one!) viewers who will not be able to appreciate your compositional or technicals skills, solely because of your choice of subject matter.
If ericlimon were to call you in for an interview as a staff photographer at his company, would you choose to include a bunch of gun images in your portfolio, or perhaps some of equal quality but differing topic? |
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09/24/2004 10:40:53 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by RobCoursey:
I'll mark most as helpful unless they make an opinion call that is based on the fact that they don't like the subject in the shot.
For example, ericlimon left a comment to my entry on "once in a blue moon" (mine was the blue steel handgun) that simply said "sorry, i hate guns." Didn't mark it helpful 'cause, well, it wasn't. It wasn't a comment to the content of the picture but rather to the subject itself. |
I agree with Rob on this,
the comment i made was not a helpful comment, and does not deserve to be checked as helpful. ( I gave it a 6 though because it was a good shot, I just hate guns) on the same note, If i had commented "wow, cool gun" it shouldn't be marked as helpful either, right?
I also mark almost every comment as helpful. Even the simple ones that say "nice" or "good shot" even though they are not really helpful in critiqueing me. |
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09/24/2004 10:41:43 AM · #15 |
| It would likely depend on the topic in question or the title of the company. If it were for "Guns, Ammo, and Mayhem" magazine, yes. If it were for "Liberal Weenies Weekly", no. ;) |
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09/24/2004 10:44:29 AM · #16 |
| Exactly. If the comment shows even the hint of trying to be helpful, I'll mark it helpful. Like Eric says, "cool", "sux", "wow", etc. are nothing more than a comment. They are not in any fashion an attempt to critique or provide an insight from a particluar viewer's perception of the content. |
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09/24/2004 10:48:01 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by RobCoursey:
It would likely depend on the topic in question or the title of the company. If it were for "Guns, Ammo, and Mayhem" magazine, yes. If it were for "Liberal Weenies Weekly", no. ;) |
Good point. I guess I was able to find some degree of helpfulness in the comment; where one establishes the threshold for checking the box is arbitrary and subjective. |
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09/24/2004 10:53:41 AM · #18 |
on a related note, I find it interesting how few comments I've received in general.
for eg, so far one of my challenge entries has 176 votes and 1 comment... not too helpful.
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09/24/2004 10:54:12 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by RobCoursey:
Like Eric says, "cool", "sux", "wow", etc. are nothing more than a comment. They are not in any fashion an attempt to critique or provide an insight from a particluar viewer's perception of the content. |
Where does it say that a comment needs be a critique? By supplying your own particular definition of the term 'comment', you effectively limit its meaning. |
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09/24/2004 11:22:50 AM · #20 |
To me the VAST majority of comments are helpful in some way. The exceptions are rude comments and comments that I simply don't comprehend.
Whilst a detailed critique may be MORE useful to me than a brief comment on how the voter liked or didn't like the image, the brief comments are still useful to me.
Even if a comment doesn't give me specific advice or detailed feedback it always provides me with one valuable thing: the way an individual reacted to my image.
To that extent, I'll often mark comments helpful even when I disagree with their suggestion - they still help me to understand how others see my work.
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09/24/2004 11:43:53 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by xion:
I find that even the word 'nice' is helpful because it lets me know someone likes my work and that helps my confidence with the next project :) |
Usually I mark thous giving technical or visual critique but I´ll have to agree with above. |
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09/24/2004 11:57:45 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by PaulMdx:
I mark them as helpful mainly to encourage people to comment. |
I do the same!
However, it'd be nice to have two checkmarks like the poster wrote... 1. Helpful Comment (which automatically checks off the 2nd one: Thanks for your comment. But you can check off 2 without checking off 1. :) What do you think DPC webmasters?
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09/24/2004 12:14:23 PM · #23 |
| As a newbie I find all comments positive, as others stated in this thread as confidence builders. I also have learned from recieving pm's back on comments I made, that comments impact the photographer. Such as "that's what I was trying to achieve" or "others didn't see that as you did". The short critiques or comments made during challenges are also great to read after voting is done, I always pick up something useful and interesting. The volume of some submissions certainly makes more detailed comments limiting if you try to vote on all. |
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09/24/2004 12:20:09 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by e301:
Oh - I had seen it, just hadn't marked it.
And congratulations Gordon on your new camera.
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Just a wee leg pull Ed.
Incidentally, I haven`t got the camera yet..there`s a little thing called the "Whyte luck" which keeps interfering in my dealings.
The "Citylink" van pulled up outside my house around an hour ago and delivered to my neighbour..I shot out and collared him only to be told he had left my parcel at an hotel by mistake and would have to finish his run then go back and pick it up...so hopefully I might get it about 8 o`clock tonight!!
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09/24/2004 12:39:32 PM · #25 |
As a newbie, I only "mark as helpful" those comments that:
A) Gave me some sort of instruction on how to get better.
B) Told me why they did / didn't like my photo.
C) Asked me for a print... self-gratifying I guess. |
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