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10/04/2014 12:00:28 PM · #1
It may sound weird and racist but this is what happened to me today in a shop here in Taipei. The shop name is See Candies and their decoration is awesome. all is black and white. When I asked them to take a picture they just said I is forbidden. I said I wouldn't take people or staff in the shot, they still didn't allow it. I guess this happens a lot but here in TW it is not very common.
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10/04/2014 12:08:03 PM · #2
Ha! Looks like the photographers are allowed... just not their camera. :D
10/04/2014 12:44:30 PM · #3
Private property. Doesn't just happen in Taipei :)
10/04/2014 01:49:03 PM · #4
A few years ago I was stopped from taking photographs of the fantastic Art Deco windows in Bloomingdales in New York; they said photography was banned as it had been
used for commercial espionage.

I was then told I might like to pay a visit to the Ladies - best of all the windows there and no-one to stop me taking photographs!
10/04/2014 09:52:21 PM · #5
Basically, they're worried that dogs might pee on merchandise which would make it unsellable, and that someone taking photos may be trying to steal their intellectual property, ie ideas in terms of display. I once wanted to take some pics for reference in a local craftsman's store and was kindly but firmly asked to not do so. And yes industrial espionage plays into it too....

Oddly very few people in my experience object to cellphones with their built-in cameras, but a *real* camera like a dslr, and suddenly you're a threat. Gawd ferbid you have a TRIPOD - dare you to try and get into certain art galleries and/or museums with one, and not be pulled aside by security, lor very firmly directed to the security desk by the ticket-seller. Tripods mean you're real serious!!!

Sad but true.

One option is to return to the store, without camera, and make sure you speak to the owner - not some part-time clerk. Ask about the photo thing and offer to give them some images free of charge in exchange for being allowed to enter the images in a photo contest, from which you will not profit. That may help. Good luck!
10/04/2014 10:02:20 PM · #6
Originally posted by snaffles:

One option is to return to the store, without camera, and make sure you speak to the owner - not some part-time clerk. Ask about the photo thing and offer to give them some images free of charge in exchange for being allowed to enter the images in a photo contest, from which you will not profit. That may help. Good luck!

That won't work with See's Candies, they are very strict and they own all their own stores. Their whole "look" is trademarked and they are extremely protective of it. I know this from experience. When I was photograp[hing a high-end retail mall for the company that developed it, See's was absolutely unwilling to let us shoot in their store. Not only that, they tried to claim that the client couldn't even USE any "exterior" images that included their storefront. They didn't get too far with that latter part, but...

And this was in the 1980's, I'm sure it's a ton worse now.

Regarding the "espionage" issues, the worst nit-pickers are the grocery stores. I have a GOOD relationship with my local store manager, and he still won't let me shoot fruits 'n veggies in his store. Corporate policy forbids it. It's apparently a ruthless, cutthroat business.
10/04/2014 11:11:39 PM · #7
They're all fruits! And don't even appreciate that they're not vegetables!

10/05/2014 12:52:52 AM · #8
How awesome would it be to turn a dog loose in that store with a go-pro camera strapped to its head?
Bonus points if it's small, wiggly and sprayed down with cooking spray so it's nearly impossible to grab.
10/05/2014 01:01:43 AM · #9
Originally posted by Pangurban:

A few years ago I was stopped from taking photographs of the fantastic Art Deco windows in Bloomingdales in New York; they said photography was banned as it had been used for commercial espionage.

I was then told I might like to pay a visit to the Ladies - best of all the windows there and no-one to stop me taking photographs!


Actually, my hosts on business trips have taken us to see the windows in Amsterdam (several times :) ) but I was told not to take any pictures. I was not surprised that they aren't really cool with it. (We walked through a similar district in Hamburg (reeperbahm) but as I vaguely recall they were not windows but ladies on the street. Again, no pictures to show for it.)

Are you saying people do shoot pics there and I missed out?!?!?!
10/05/2014 01:16:54 AM · #10
Originally posted by MadMan2k:

How awesome would it be to turn a dog loose in that store with a go-pro camera strapped to its head?
Bonus points if it's small, wiggly and sprayed down with cooking spray so it's nearly impossible to grab.


Bwhahaha MadMan2k now I get your username. ...you really are a mad man....love it....
10/05/2014 02:51:38 AM · #11
No dogs and...
10/05/2014 09:31:11 AM · #12
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by snaffles:

One option is to return to the store, without camera, and make sure you speak to the owner - not some part-time clerk. Ask about the photo thing and offer to give them some images free of charge in exchange for being allowed to enter the images in a photo contest, from which you will not profit. That may help. Good luck!

That won't work with See's Candies, they are very strict and they own all their own stores. Their whole "look" is trademarked and they are extremely protective of it. I know this from experience. When I was photograp[hing a high-end retail mall for the company that developed it, See's was absolutely unwilling to let us shoot in their store. Not only that, they tried to claim that the client couldn't even USE any "exterior" images that included their storefront. They didn't get too far with that latter part, but...

And this was in the 1980's, I'm sure it's a ton worse now.

Regarding the "espionage" issues, the worst nit-pickers are the grocery stores. I have a GOOD relationship with my local store manager, and he still won't let me shoot fruits 'n veggies in his store. Corporate policy forbids it. It's apparently a ruthless, cutthroat business.


Hmmm...guess I should have qualified that by saying my approach tends to work best with smaller independent stores, not so much chains :-/ ah well...
10/05/2014 05:39:53 PM · #13
Originally posted by snaffles:

... Gawd ferbid you have a TRIPOD - dare you to try and get into certain art galleries and/or museums with one, and not be pulled aside by security, lor very firmly directed to the security desk by the ticket-seller. Tripods mean you're real serious!!! ...

Actually, I think the tripod issue is more of a liability thing, tripping hazard, etc... Some museums will have photography policies posted on their website and is worth a peek in advance of any trips.
10/05/2014 06:13:29 PM · #14
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by snaffles:

... Gawd ferbid you have a TRIPOD - dare you to try and get into certain art galleries and/or museums with one, and not be pulled aside by security, lor very firmly directed to the security desk by the ticket-seller. Tripods mean you're real serious!!! ...

Actually, I think the tripod issue is more of a liability thing, tripping hazard, etc... Some museums will have photography policies posted on their website and is worth a peek in advance of any trips.


You've got a point there, I hadn't thought of that, and of course school groups and tourists can come flooding through anytime. (Mind I still think the tripod and camera would be the ones to come out the worst of someone stumbling or tripping over it). Though I've also noticed at places like rodeos, the photogs toting tripods and/or multiple camera bodies are usually given press passes, while those of us carrying only a camera and one visible lens escape notice!
10/05/2014 06:27:14 PM · #15
Originally posted by Deve:


Bwhahaha MadMan2k now I get your username. ...you really are a mad man....love it....


Thanks :)
In all fairness, I got the go-pro dog idea from a video that was making the rounds on Facebook about dog running full-speed through a beach resort and leaping into the ocean, it was very joyful.
10/06/2014 12:07:07 AM · #16
I had never heard of See's Candies before this (or "See's Candles", as I read it), but the Wikipedia entry for it has a photo of a Hong Kong branch of the store.
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