LIGHT on WHITE, you know what to do...

03/04/2013 10:08:54 AM · #26

we have the same problem here as in any other challenge. only magnified .

you are trying to justify why you voted down your competition. Well the truth is, you did it because you interpreted this challenge with your entry, and in your head its only correct interpretation.

" LIGHT ON WHITE"

what is white? there are many shades of white

only pure white? description does not say " LIGHT ON PURE WHITE"

only white blown out with lights till all detail is gone? really?

is creamy white also white? it sure is

is white covered with the shadows still white? well it is white isn't it

klkitchens

Pentax K-1

Pentax FA 50mm f/1.4 AF

03/04/2013 10:08:57 AM · #27

Originally posted by Yandrosxx:

Well, I definitely posted a stinker, 4.607.

You're a rose!

3.9231 here :)

03/04/2013 10:09:46 AM · #28

Huge swings in the votes on this one.

klkitchens

Pentax K-1

Pentax FA 50mm f/1.4 AF

03/04/2013 10:13:13 AM · #29

Originally posted by Basta:

Likewise, a white background shot with the wrong White Balance could make the whole entry read blue... WAS it still white? Yes it was.

Does it read as white in the viewer's mind? No it does not.

Does therefore GREY/GRAY read as white in the viewer's mind? Probably not. Are the voters forgiving because they can see that it's white in shadows? Up to each voter.

But the photographer took the chance and submitted their resulting Light on Grey shot into a Light on White competition. They should 100% expect not everyone to share their sympathies.

All that said...

If the background reads grey, yet is still lighter than the main subject, I would give it benefit of the doubt, completely.

However, if the background is significantly darker than the main subject and that subject is brilliant white, then they missed the theme completely. IMO.

03/04/2013 10:21:41 AM · #30

Originally posted by klkitchens:

Originally posted by Basta:
we have the same problem here as in any other challenge. only magnified .

you are trying to justify why you voted down your competition. Well the truth is, you did it because you interpreted this challenge with your entry, and in your head its only correct interpretation.

" LIGHT ON WHITE"

what is white? there are many shades of white

only pure white? description does not say " LIGHT ON PURE WHITE"

only white blown out with lights till all detail is gone? really?

is creamy white also white? it sure is

is white covered with the shadows still white? well it is white isn't it

Likewise, a white background shot with the wrong White Balance could make the whole entry read blue... WAS it still white? Yes it was.

Does it read as white in the viewer's mind? No it does not.

Does therefore GREY/GRAY read as white in the viewer's mind? Probably not. Are the voters forgiving because they can see that it's white in shadows? Up to each voter.

But the photographer took the chance and submitted their resulting Light on Grey shot into a Light on White competition. They should 100% expect not everyone to share their sympathies.

All that said...

If the background reads grey, yet is still lighter than the main subject, I would give it benefit of the doubt, completely.

However, if the background is significantly darker than the main subject and that subject is brilliant white, then they missed the theme completely. IMO.

As I said Kevin, you are 100% correct, since I know from your previous post what type of image your entry is. What it reads in your mind has a lot to do with your own entry.

klkitchens

Pentax K-1

Pentax FA 50mm f/1.4 AF

03/04/2013 10:32:05 AM · #31

Originally posted by Basta:

what type of image your entry is

Yes. Mine is a suckfest type of entry. :)

Canon EF 200mm f/2.8 L II USM Lens

03/04/2013 10:39:26 AM · #32

Originally posted by klkitchens:

Originally posted by Basta:
what type of image your entry is

Yes. Mine is a suckfest type of entry. :)

Mine too , I assure you.

skewsme

Canon EOS-6D

03/04/2013 12:04:28 PM · #33

Originally posted by bohemka:

Looks like I'm very much in the minority here, as I am really impressed with the submissions. There's some really excellent stuff from what I can see.

I'm with you. Although, some of the entries do have me puzzled, wonder if they'll disappear before the week is out. Either that or people are really torquing up their in camera edits.

giantmike

Canon EOS R6

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM

03/04/2013 12:21:13 PM · #34

Originally posted by skewsme:

Originally posted by bohemka:
Looks like I'm very much in the minority here, as I am really impressed with the submissions. There's some really excellent stuff from what I can see.

I'm with you. Although, some of the entries do have me puzzled, wonder if they'll disappear before the week is out. Either that or people are really torquing up their in camera edits.

A gentle reminder to all: vote as if the image meets the minimal editing rules. If it turns out that it doesn't, the image will be disqualified. But you cannot (according to site rules) vote down an image because you may think it's illegally done.

03/04/2013 12:21:27 PM · #35

Originally posted by skewsme:

agree with you guys.
DNMC to the side, looking just at images as minimal edit I am surprised with the quality.
some great stuff, If all is done in camera

03/04/2013 12:43:36 PM · #36

Originally posted by Basta:

Originally posted by skewsme:

Originally posted by bohemka:
Looks like I'm very much in the minority here, as I am really impressed with the submissions. There's some really excellent stuff from what I can see.

I'm with you. Although, some of the entries do have me puzzled, wonder if they'll disappear before the week is out. Either that or people are really torquing up their in camera edits.

agree with you guys.
DNMC to the side, looking just at images as minimal edit I am surprised with the quality.
some great stuff, If all is done in camera

I thought there was really nice stuff in there!!

Message edited by author 2013-03-04 12:44:42.

03/04/2013 12:47:36 PM · #37

Wow -- reading the posts on the phone this morning, I thought that it was going to be an awful challenge. I think it's a very nice one!!

Lighten up people. :)

hehe....

lighten....

oh well. :)

Message edited by author 2013-03-04 13:23:56.

KarenNfld

03/04/2013 01:26:54 PM · #38

Originally posted by skewsme:

Either that or people are really torquing up their in camera edits.

Hmmmmm.....so you think a photo of good quality can't be acheived by proper lighting and camera settings without doing any in-camera editing?

03/04/2013 01:35:17 PM · #39

Originally posted by KarenNfld:

Originally posted by skewsme:
Either that or people are really torquing up their in camera edits.

Hmmmmm.....so you think a photo of good quality can't be acheived by proper lighting and camera settings without doing any in-camera editing?

I think perhaps its a nod to the fact that there are images which at least look like they were impossible to do under minimal rules, while acknowledging that someone might actually have managed it without breaking rules, however unlikely that may appear with certain entries.

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II

03/04/2013 01:38:09 PM · #40

What this challenge needs is a good run of comments. I'll go for 100 percent.

You might join me if you can, clearly this is a good opportunity for all of us to learn.

By the way, I think this challenge shows why we NEED more minimal challenges.

Message edited by author 2013-03-04 13:38:36.

IAmEliKatz

Nikon D5

03/04/2013 01:39:00 PM · #41

Originally posted by Cory:

I agree but with cropping.

Damon

Nikon D750

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-120mm f/4G ED VR

03/04/2013 01:44:00 PM · #42

Mine is sinking it up as, could be the subject ;)

Votes 35
Score 4.3

Wondering what the gray pics are scoring :)

Alex_Petrini

Sony Alpha a7R III

Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM

03/04/2013 01:45:38 PM · #43

Originally posted by Cory:

I think this challenge shows why we NEED more minimal challenges.

In which way?

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-120mm f/4G ED VR

03/04/2013 02:00:06 PM · #44

Originally posted by Alexkc:

Originally posted by Cory:
I think this challenge shows why we NEED more minimal challenges.

In which way?

In the way that there are a few good, creative, and otherwise interesting photos that are well executed, while the majority are no where near our normal expectations.

It's not impossible to really take an amazing photo that needs no editing, but our typical DPC style does not emphasize the basics nearly as much, and this challenge has exposed just how weak many of us really are in this area.

I think that more regular minimal challenges would do much to spur our real creativity and to force us to get the basics right when we are shooting.

The eventual payoff is less post processing in the future. ;)

Alex_Petrini

Sony Alpha a7R III

Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM

03/04/2013 02:08:57 PM · #45

Originally posted by Cory:

IMO this challenge shows much more lack of creativity than lack of on camera skills. I see a lot of very well taken shots, quite hard to be done on camera.

Damon

Nikon D750

03/04/2013 02:09:48 PM · #46

I would agree whole heartily Cory because I know I can rely heavily on PP at times to fix something that could have been easily a simple camera setting that I was to busy or some cases too lazy to change. I enjoy minimal as it does make you think more about your camera, subject, and composition. I don't think a lot of the voters score that way because they are so used to the PP images that our imaging software can impose on a picture.

bob350

Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM

03/04/2013 02:24:47 PM · #47

I learned a lot working with lights/reflectors/scrims shooting for this challenge. One problem now is that, as with other challenges at the extremes of light or dark, monitor calibration can make a big difference -- brightness, color, and contrast. Having seen the entries on more than one system now, I observe that the image backgrounds can vary from fully blown out no-detail white to somewhat dull shades of grey depending on monitor calibration, and well-defined edges of subjects viewed in one system can look fully merged into the background on another system. And images not fully flopped to grey-scale (despite impact on artistic intent) can range from almost pure white to somewhat pastel. The dark grey-on-darker-gray entries can still be identified, of course. My suggestion is to be sure you can distinguish all of the individual white to black squares in the scale near the bottom of the voting window before considering your votes final.

03/04/2013 02:27:02 PM · #48

And, this is a reminder - if you think it's illegal editing, don't punish the score, in fact, if you think it's impossible it might deserve a higher score.

Just be sure to press that "Click here if you suspect a rules violation" link at the bottom of the page, the SC will sort out the folks who didn't understand that this was a minimal challenge - until then you really must assume they have followed the rules.

03/04/2013 02:28:21 PM · #49

Originally posted by bob350:

... monitor calibration can make a big difference -- brightness, color, and contrast. Having seen the entries on more than one system now, I observe that the image backgrounds can vary from fully blown out no-detail white to somewhat dull shades of grey depending on monitor calibration...

This is what the eyedropper tool is for - check your whites and make sure they're white! :)

Plus the histogram in your camera can be turned on while shooting, and then all you need to do is a quick zone-check.

ETA: Also, look at that bar with white to black squares - the white should be full white, the black should be full black - that is intended to make sure you're voting fairly, since that is an absolutely scale that has full black and full white for reference.

Message edited by author 2013-03-04 14:29:41.