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12/19/2012 12:23:40 AM · #1
I know there's no "family" in the picture, but did my image really deserve 8 1's and 6 2's?
Aside from the "lack of human beings" (which apparently even though some had a person in it they were getting dnmc comments from Gap2012 anyways) in the image, what was so bad about this. Please let me know, i thought it was deserving of a better fate and i'd like to hear why it crashed so hard.

12/19/2012 01:05:07 AM · #2
it wasnt a bad photo! and sorry if i upset a few people on the DNMC and people vote more irratically on DPC for less than DNMC.... it didnt meet challenge as i saw it... whether its my personal interpretation or a consensus, i did not sway anyone with it nor did i vote it low but i just didnt vote any of the DNMC's high neither did i vote for second spot or single person who did not meet the you(photographer) or the family as per the challenge, ive seen this a lot, nothing wrong with the photo, i like it... i have nothing against it on its own merit but for the challenge along with more than 50% of the others it ignored the challenge... and some people vote for furry animals or whatever, doesnt mean it fits the challenge, but they still vote it into high places and i dont agree with that either... same as other things that reach high places just because of the apathy to go against the grain of consensus on DPC. so you can see its not personal about you, not for me and i apologise if i contributed to you feeling that way, i get equally frustrated with DPC and how people vote and do things and how everything has to be perfect or this or that, i just think the challenge statement is the key focus for the creative catalyst, by all means throw away the rulebook when you choose how to put your photo composition together etc but i do think people should adhere to the challenge statement as the premise for your photo... and i will stand by that regardless of who argues it... and i felt i needed to comment on this DNMC so that people can choose to think about that...or not...
12/19/2012 01:11:24 AM · #3
And Ryan, im really glad you spoke up!!! honest... i do have a big heart and feel your dissapointment, and i dont wish to upset or make that worse, your not alone, but i had to put it into perspective of the whole site! and like i say i like the photo in its own right!
12/19/2012 01:12:00 AM · #4
actually you didn't comment on mine, but you had done so for many others. guess mine came up near the end and you got tired of saying "no family" over and over.
it just really puzzles me sometimes when something like this happens to me while others will blatantly ignore challenge text and still ribbon because it's pretty.
i just figured i'd ask if there really was a reason other than dnmc that people had to low vote this.

and it wasn't anything anybody said, it was mostly the scoring breakdown. even looking at other "dnmc" entries this seemed to be low scoring.
ah well, maybe i'll finally figure out how to crack the site, open a challenge and limit it to 3 entries, that way i'm bound to get a ribbon (unless they dq me for breaking into the site).

Message edited by author 2012-12-19 01:13:53.
12/19/2012 01:12:49 AM · #5
I didn't enter this challenge so I hadn't read the details required. As a result I gave you a six as I liked your shot. However, if I had read the details (which I will ensure to do in future) I would not have scored this as high (probably a 4) as it is still a nice shot. I guess for some a DNMC is an automatic 1 or 2 which is their right and so shouldn't be too unexpected.
12/19/2012 01:17:11 AM · #6
There is no need to apologize for feeling someone didn't meet the challenge. If thats how you felt, it's how you felt. Art is subjective (and Art Roflmao is not subjective) there is no wrong way to vote.
12/19/2012 01:17:12 AM · #7
Originally posted by RyanWareham:

actually you didn't comment on mine, but you had done so for many others. guess mine came up near the end and you got tired of saying "no family" over and over.
it just really puzzles me sometimes when something like this happens to me while others will blatantly ignore challenge text and still ribbon because it's pretty.
i just figured i'd ask if there really was a reason other than dnmc that people had to low vote this.


nope i totally hear you buddy and it angers me a little that some of the Ribbons got them and still failed to meet challenge, but unfortunately as i have learned people can be very selective in their what DNMC when it comes to challenges, peoples voting is not consistent like that... ive even seen comments that contradict the exact same things... oh well... keep at it Ryan.. or selectively choose challenges and stay true to you, not DPC ribbons ;O)
12/19/2012 01:18:51 AM · #8
Originally posted by Abra:

I didn't enter this challenge so I hadn't read the details required. As a result I gave you a six as I liked your shot. However, if I had read the details (which I will ensure to do in future) I would not have scored this as high (probably a 4) as it is still a nice shot. I guess for some a DNMC is an automatic 1 or 2 which is their right and so shouldn't be too unexpected.


i dont think DNMC should automatically get a 1 or 2 personally speaking but it probably wouldnt go higher than a 4 for me...
12/19/2012 01:25:20 AM · #9
Originally posted by smardaz:

There is no need to apologize for feeling someone didn't meet the challenge. If thats how you felt, it's how you felt. Art is subjective (and Art Roflmao is not subjective) there is no wrong way to vote.


yes absolutely art is subjective, the challenge title i believe is not subjective, so you can still build a creative framework and equally a voting framework around that and then apply subjective process to it, the same way in art we learn to look deeper at an image break it down objectively and still appreciate its subjective quality... so its possible and i try to apply this to my process... but thats me.. and i apologise to anyone who might feel its a personal thing because its definitely not, its a critical process, an educational and mind expanding process, a willingness to change, while still being true to ones self and my own qualities and creativity and i want to give people inspiration and the ability to re-evaluate and be more open, so thats why i say sorry, i dont like people feeling bad, theres a good way to come from this as positive criticism based i hope...?? and open discussion i hope :O) but thanks smardaz
12/19/2012 01:27:16 AM · #10
DPC challenge descriptions are often awkwardly worded and you sometimes have to read between the lines. Many people don't want to post photos of themselves and their families online and you have to respect that. To hammer this or other photos without families in them as DNMC is rather stupid.

The spirit of the challenge was to present a holiday card that you'd send out.
12/19/2012 01:31:18 AM · #11
FWIW, I rarely (if ever) read the challenge description when voting. (I usually always read it when entering) This was no exception. I gave it a 6 and now risk losing my status as a DNMC Nazi. Eh, such is life.
12/19/2012 01:34:43 AM · #12
DPC should choose it better and use produce a card you'd send to family... i didnt enter the challenge, but i appreciated the ones who did and more so those who did themselves or their families, it was my choice, as it is everyones, if they dont want to have themselves or family on view thats totally awesome! but its not about this challenge specifically its about all challenges.... i just got fed up with this one being 50+% not even trying to meet challenge..sorry :O(
12/19/2012 01:35:56 AM · #13
...meant to also say that the bottom line is that you take your chances in entering something that does not obviously meet the challenge topic or description. And calling out low voters for DNMCing it is - if nothing else - unproductive (not referring to the OP).
12/19/2012 01:36:49 AM · #14
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

FWIW, I rarely (if ever) read the challenge description when voting. (I usually always read it when entering) This was no exception. I gave it a 6 and now risk losing my status as a DNMC Nazi. Eh, such is life.


lolal thank you for that ;O) lolal... :O)
12/19/2012 04:40:31 AM · #15
I gave it a very generous 5.
It did not meet the challenge and was boring.
And that was using all the christmas cheer I could get hold of.
12/19/2012 07:29:33 AM · #16
I scored it low. It didn't really meet the challenge but aside from that you have the subject dead center, it really isn't in focus, the added light and flare is not all that well done and is too prominent, perhaps a lighter touch. My eyes bounce all around the image and doesn't flow nice. Wb may be a bit off and the text is just thrown in there with no real thought.

Not bashing you but you asked so I am just picking apart the image and telling you why I scored it low.
12/19/2012 07:56:51 AM · #17
I agree with Tiny and MinsoPhoto's comments. What were your expectations? As a Christmas Card is not so bad, but here challenges require creativity and this image doesn't stand out. I can add that I don't like the blown highlights, they are really distracting.
12/19/2012 08:56:32 AM · #18
Thanks. I do appreciate the feedback. I asked what was not right in your eyes and as such nothing said is wrong.
I don't take offense and while I may not fully agree with some I see where you're coming from, and it is the variations in thought that make the site a great place to learn.

Thank you for the feedback.
And I dI'd follow with the concept of create a card you would send out. And I did send this out so I'm happy with it as an image despite score just wanted to know what technically was unappealing to others. So again, thank you for taking a few minutes to reply to my question.
Merry Christmas! :-)
12/19/2012 09:29:17 AM · #19
I didn't vote. But I thought it was a bit dark/muted for a holiday card. Mostly they're bright and cheerful with lots of reds and greens.
12/19/2012 10:00:59 AM · #20
Originally posted by RyanWareham:

Thanks. I do appreciate the feedback. I asked what was not right in your eyes and as such nothing said is wrong.
I don't take offense and while I may not fully agree with some I see where you're coming from, and it is the variations in thought that make the site a great place to learn.

Thank you for the feedback.
And I dI'd follow with the concept of create a card you would send out. And I did send this out so I'm happy with it as an image despite score just wanted to know what technically was unappealing to others. So again, thank you for taking a few minutes to reply to my question.
Merry Christmas! :-)


Merry Christmas to you and everyone even if i inadvertantly offended anyone!...
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