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06/13/2012 09:36:34 PM · #151 |
So, having read  frisca's explanation, that seems reasonable, and as  Bear_Music and some others noted, moderation is always a sticky issue. I also think the vast majority of the members here have not spent much time in an actually unmoderated forum, as their outrage at minor things seems a bit...excessive to me.
Having said that, the only issue that I have is that the original comment was not read. It does NOT matter whether or not it was later felt upon examination that the comment should be ammended in whatever shape or form, but that the request was sent out prior to checking. In this situation, it doesn't really appear to have mattered, but I'm not fond of the idea that requests be sent out without even a cursory investigation.
That's the key to moderation- it must be evaluated by the outside party, since we all get our knickers in a bunch from time to time.
It is, however, unfortunate that things have come to this end, regardless of what brought us there. I am very fond of  and  , as well as Mekong. Your photos and comments will be missed by many, and I'm glad I can count myself among that crowd.
Message edited by author 2012-06-13 21:36:44. |
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06/13/2012 10:03:57 PM · #152 |
not to forget this one ;) nor this one 
Message edited by author 2012-06-13 22:43:07. |
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06/13/2012 10:08:40 PM · #153 |
| I wonder whether this would be a topic of discussion if I had been the one who made the comment and then closed my account. Is the problem what actually happened or did it become a problem because of the person involved? |
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06/13/2012 10:28:32 PM · #154 |
Originally posted by chaimelle:
I wonder whether this would be a topic of discussion if I had been the one who made the comment and then closed my account. Is the problem what actually happened or did it become a problem because of the person involved? |
My 2 cents has a bad exchange rate, but in my mind ubique is a pillar, and when a pillar leaves the building, the building notices.
Problems in this saga are multitude. |
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06/13/2012 10:40:53 PM · #155 |
Originally posted by frisca:
If the community as a whole would like a different process or additional steps, let us know and we'll try to do it. |
I had dealt with a similar issue on another site not long ago. The resolution was to immediately "lock out" a reported post or comment's content (if there was any validity to the report) from view with a note "this post is under moderation review". With the post author and other details remaining visible as a place holder. This immediate action could be done by any single member of the SC or moderation crew.
Then once the moderation crew was able to arrive at an agreed upon course of action, the post could be deleted, hidden, shown, or revised as needed.
Just offering it up as a suggestion... though I do know that you all probably have your hands full as is. |
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06/13/2012 10:48:52 PM · #156 |
everyone is so uptight these past few weeks, myself included. it's like we are looking to pick fights, with anything, rulesets, the SC, other users...
I can see why ubique left.
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06/13/2012 10:52:07 PM · #157 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
everyone is so uptight these past few weeks... it's like we are looking to pick fights, with anything, rulesets, the SC, other users...
I can see why ubique left. |
Indeed.
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06/13/2012 10:52:32 PM · #158 |
We've lost more than we've gained.
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06/13/2012 10:53:14 PM · #159 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
everyone is so uptight these past few weeks, myself included. it's like we are looking to pick fights, with anything, rulesets, the SC, other users...
I can see why ubique left. |
ETA, general discussion and rant (maybe some others) is going on block for a few weeks, at least.
i need to get back to why i like this place.
Message edited by author 2012-06-13 22:56:48. |
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06/13/2012 10:58:17 PM · #160 |
I haven't been active enough on the site to have an opinion about Paul. It is sad when someone who is active, helpful, respected, [whatever} leaves. However, I do not feel it is up to SC to determine how they react to a situation based on who is involved. I agree the site would not lose much beyond my $25 if I did not renew but I still think everyone should be treated equally.
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06/13/2012 11:00:33 PM · #161 |
As one who is currently very frustrated with DPC, I do not believe that this issue is about Paul and/or The photographer. She didn't like the comment Paul left. She contacted the SC. Nothing new about not liking a comment. But the SC sudden rush to action appears to be very in advised. I find myself wondering who are these thousands of people who will read the comment, and think The photographer is a bad person. (I do find myself disliking that she was called out in this thread. She complained, but she isn't the one who made the decision.)
What I do feel that is very nearly a fatal flaw in DPC, is the structure and operation of the SC. Many of you have been here since early on, when it was free, and it was more of a group of friends, or a club.
Once you started charging, it became a business. (I don't believe DPC is a 501.3(c) non-profit, is it?). However, the SC seems to be a lifetime appointment, that answered to none of the governed body. Yet sometimes SC you seem to treat DPC as your private playground. You ignore repeated requests for things like DPL, from literally dozens of members, claiming you don't have time. 3 minutes a week, over the last two years, would have given you all a six hour conference. Yet you find the time to spring into action over a comment that the majority of you never saw.
We, the "members" pay $25 a year. We deserve better than this.
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06/13/2012 11:04:48 PM · #162 |
Originally posted by jomari:
We've lost more than we've gained. |
And my concern is that we will continue to loose if we don't come to terms with how this happened.
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06/13/2012 11:05:28 PM · #163 |
This thread should have been locked long ago... SC is being very generous over this kerfuffle IMO.
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06/13/2012 11:17:25 PM · #164 |
Originally posted by chaimelle:
I haven't been active enough on the site to have an opinion about Paul. It is sad when someone who is active, helpful, respected, [whatever} leaves. However, I do not feel it is up to SC to determine how they react to a situation based on who is involved. I agree the site would not lose much beyond my $25 if I did not renew but I still think everyone should be treated equally. |
The fashion that this was dealt with appears to be roughly similar to how it has been dealt with with other folks who have chosen to admit it ( Bear_Music and cosmicassassin have both said they underwent a similar process, with one of them being a very longstanding member and one being much newer, so as far as the SC is concerned it appears to be pretty evenly treated.
Would the incident have gained such prominence if you (or I) had left instead of Paul? Not likely, because I don't feel that we're viewed as so integral a part of the experience. So far as that goes, this huge thing has come about as a result of users expressing outrage at a prominent member's treatment, which is also related to another prominent member's forum posts elsewhere that was, in itself, extremely prominent and rather heated.
Also, to be fair, if I had understood things properly, DPL has absolutely zero to do with SC, and further, when SC do step in and try to smooth the waters, they typically get attacked, yet if mum's the word it's as though they're Lizards controlling the government from afar for some nefarious end. |
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06/13/2012 11:26:19 PM · #165 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Originally posted by jomari:
We've lost more than we've gained. |
And my concern is that we will continue to loose if we don't come to terms with how this happened. |
Getting there |
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06/13/2012 11:28:02 PM · #166 |
Mob justice is never Justice.
Accept that a petition was sent from a member to the authoritative group to investigate, they contacted the second party and based on adhering to the SoC rules asked for an edit to or removal of a comment this individual made. Rather than listen to the rules, this person left in a bit of a huff, what many would refer to as a temper tantrum if the age of the person was younger.
What resulted was a mob out for blood because other people followed the rules and didn't bend them around one individual.
As for any rebuttal of Margarets, it was removed from the site by someone as well, yet she dis not quit in outrage or rise to the frenzied catcalls from a mob out for her blood.
Admit that if this was about 95% of the other members of this site, use myself and cosmicassassin as examples, Nobody would make this big of a fuss, and many of you would be happy the SC dis their job and got rid of one of us.
If you are going to make statements as have been made here, consider if you would justify this behaviour over someone else before you claim the sc isn't doing their job, because I guarantee you that a large % of readers will admit its more about a perceived slight that made someone Known leave (his choice, not the sc's) and less about the rules.
If you expect fair treatment it has to be unbiased. Bending rules for one person creates a tiered system, that will do more harm than one man rage quitting over a rule enforcement. |
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06/13/2012 11:36:34 PM · #167 |
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06/13/2012 11:37:12 PM · #168 |
Originally posted by EL-ROI:
This thread should have been locked long ago... SC is being very generous over this kerfuffle IMO. |
That's so 2007. I'm surprised they haven't deleted the entire thread yet. I guess the recycle bin is too full at the moment.
Paul, I hate that you left and that you didn't at least take out one of the bags of trash with you. The odor at DPC is getting unbearable.
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06/14/2012 12:10:08 AM · #169 |
I saw this thread start yesterday, all very innocent - people missing a prominent photographer, the I go to bed, wake up and there are 169 posts and its sad to see where this has gone. Come on DPC - its about the photography here!
Things like this are exactly why newbies are scared to join and get involved. No wonder numbers are dwindiling.
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06/14/2012 12:11:31 AM · #170 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Originally posted by jomari:
We've lost more than we've gained. |
And my concern is that we will continue to loose if we don't come to terms with how this happened. |
Getting there |
We need a suggestion for improvement. Hopefully someone will listen.
I know that at the very least there should be room for discussion somewhere before these finalities are offered (i.e.: Paul edit your comment or else). |
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06/14/2012 12:44:43 AM · #171 |
Well, I'd like to close this thread with this image by Paul:
SC please feel free to turn the key in the lock now.
This thread turned out...DNMC.
Thank you. |
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06/14/2012 01:07:14 AM · #172 |
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06/14/2012 01:11:48 AM · #173 |
We should all go fishing now:
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06/14/2012 01:38:30 AM · #174 |
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06/14/2012 02:15:20 AM · #175 |
Desmond has his barrow in the market place...
Molly is the singer in a band...
Desmond says to Molly "Girl, I like your face"
And Molly says this as she takes him by the hand... |
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