Artificial Symmetry - DPChallenge Forums

Nikon AF-S DX 18-105 f/3.5-5.6 ED VR

02/16/2013 08:29:37 PM · #26

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

Whether it is legal or not given that the challenge is under expert editing, I'm not sure.

The answer to that is "yes".

pixelpig

Sony Alpha a55

Sony DT 1.8/50mm SAM

02/16/2013 09:01:27 PM · #27

I thought about it. I think this challenge is about bi-lateral symmetry created in PP from one image, mirrored. A flip'n'blend is typically circular symmetry, & almost all the image is new, created in PP. So I agree. Flip'n'blend is not what this challenge is looking for.

sfalice

Canon PowerShot SX60 HS

02/16/2013 09:06:31 PM · #28

Originally posted by pixelpig:

Yes, "Pix" I agree with you. Now THAT would be a fun challenge all by itself. Circular symmetry - a/k/n as Flip n blend.

jomari

Nikon D7000

02/16/2013 09:39:25 PM · #29

If you only flip once it is bilateral surely?

giantmike

Canon EOS R6

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM

02/16/2013 11:16:24 PM · #30

Wow, what a fun time with this! Just taking some random shots from today I was able to make some fun little works of art. What a great idea for a challenge.

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

02/16/2013 11:24:02 PM · #31

Originally posted by pixelpig:

For what it's worth, consider that people may make a source image that is composed from several exposures or a single exposure morphed in some way, and then FLIP the source image to create bilateral symmetry...

pixelpig

Sony Alpha a55

Sony DT 1.8/50mm SAM

02/16/2013 11:37:51 PM · #32

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by pixelpig:
I thought about it. I think this challenge is about bi-lateral symmetry created in PP from one image, mirrored. A flip'n'blend is typically circular symmetry, & almost all the image is new, created in PP. So I agree. Flip'n'blend is not what this challenge is looking for.

For what it's worth, consider that people may make a source image that is composed from several exposures or a single exposure morphed in some way, and then FLIP the source image to create bilateral symmetry...

True. I might do that, myself. The 'one image' that is mirrored to create perfect bi-lateral symmetry does not have to be out-of-the-camera.

pixelpig

Sony Alpha a55

Sony DT 1.8/50mm SAM

02/16/2013 11:38:38 PM · #33

Originally posted by jomari:

If you only flip once it is bilateral surely?

Yes, I think so.

BrennanOB

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

02/17/2013 02:09:46 AM · #34

Originally posted by jomari:

If you only flip once it is bilateral surely?

Only if you flip on the median axis. While most of the posted examples have been bilateral, there is nothing that says that the symmetery has to be right left and not top bottom, or any multiplier thereof.

As humans we assume bilateral symmetry, but if we were octopi we would think of symmetry differently.

GinaRothfels

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 8mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko Digital ED Fisheye PRO Lens

02/17/2013 03:45:18 AM · #35

Originally posted by pixelpig:

I think you've explained this pretty well.

I hate what expert editing allows us to do here. As an example of the difference, the images

gyaban creates are, strictly speaking, digital art, but they are done in such a way that it looks like he has taken a photo of something that doesn't exist. That's what I was looking for here. Flip and blend can only ever be abstract and will bear no resemblance to the photo from which it is created. In fact I've found some of my best flip and blend images come from bad photos, so one doesn't have to think too hard about taking a suitable photo for the challenge. While legal, according to the challenge description, I see flip and blend as DNMC.

The examples shown by

Mousie are perfect. While the one by

caba is more abstract, it certainly meets the challenge.

I enjoy creating flip and blend images, but that really should be a separate challenge.

thriftyphotographer

Canon EOS-600D/T3i Rebel

02/17/2013 07:46:47 AM · #36

Originally posted by sfalice:

Originally posted by BrennanOB:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Sheep have a hard time using Photoshop, and are not allowed to become members anyway ... ;-)

I will boycott this challenge in support of the rights of sheep to enter this or any other challenge.

Sure you hear people say "Those guys are just sheep, they just follow along, never thinking for themselves" but I say "What about the black sheep? Bold individuals who stand apart form the flock, free independent thinkers."

Full rights for our ovine brothers! If they can get on the internet why should we bar their becoming members?

Fight discrimination in all its forms!

Ah, but you know the old saying:
"Baa, baa black sheep!"
we all know those who coined the saying were New Englanders who lost their 'r's.
therefore, Bar the Black sheep, I say!

here hear!

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

02/17/2013 09:16:38 AM · #37

Originally posted by thriftyphotographer:

Originally posted by sfalice:
Ah, but you know the old saying:
"Baa, baa black sheep!"
we all know those who coined the saying were New Englanders who lost their 'r's.
therefore, Bar the Black sheep, I say!

here hear!

Don't you mean "heah, heah!"? ;-)

FWIW in the Flip/Blend technique the images are laid on top of each other, not next to each other as I think this challenge intends.

snaffles

Nikon D7100

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

02/17/2013 09:33:15 AM · #38

Hey, seeing that the posted images on this page show images that look well beyond the 800pixel limit, does that mean the canvas and file size has changed or do we have to shrink our meisterwerks to the confines of 800.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4L IS II USM Lens

02/17/2013 09:41:12 AM · #39

Originally posted by snaffles:

Still 800...

hahn23

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

02/17/2013 09:57:00 AM · #40

Anathema. But, I'll give it a try.