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10/21/2011 06:01:46 AM · #1 |
“I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple’s $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. I’m going to destroy Android, because it’s a stolen product. I’m willing to go thermonuclear war on this.”
“I don’t want your money. If you offer me $5 billion, I won’t want it. I’ve got plenty of money. I want you to stop using our ideas in Android, that’s all I want.”
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10/21/2011 06:37:17 AM · #2 |
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10/21/2011 07:03:58 AM · #3 |
must be annoying though for apple to develop products at great expense then everyone else copy their ideas....
how would you feel?
innovators and imitators same with the ipad as well, they cant sell the samsung one in germany due to copyright restrictions
be interesting to hear the argument against intellectual property from a bunch of photographers....... |
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10/21/2011 07:23:40 AM · #4 |
Apple didn't invent a phone. Or operating systems. Or sensors. Or any of the individual components to the system.
It's engineering developments to put the these together, not intellectual property. And those shouldn't be copyrighted. But they were somehow.
Sure Apple got there first. But someone's always got to get there first. I feel like it'd be like one of the Google heads suing Apple if they were to make a search engine.
If ANYONE has a right to be pissed at Android it's Oracle.
But, was the thing swapped around (Android coming first) the anomosity, I'm sure, would remain from Apple's side, but Google wouldn't be trying to sue the crap out of them.
Apple's problem is jealousy of your rival from across the town stealing your girlfriend. It's petty.
Of course, this comes from an Android user :-)
Message edited by author 2011-10-21 07:24:31.
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10/21/2011 07:28:20 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by NiallOTuama:
Pathetic. |
its not pathetic, Microsoft for one gets $15 for everyone android phone sold due to patent infringements of android. Google set them self up perfect by not selling the code and leaving the handset manufacturers with the full liability.
if you look at android its a straight iOS rippoff and now its ripping off of WP7. iphones exclusivity to ATT helped android take off, its non becuase its a superior OS, its because it was the only other viable option available to the handset manufacturers and the other carriers pushed it. |
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10/21/2011 07:30:34 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by NiallOTuama:
Apple didn't invent a phone. Or operating systems. Or sensors. Or any of the individual components to the system.
It's engineering developments to put the these together, not intellectual property. And those shouldn't be copyrighted. But they were somehow.
Sure Apple got there first. But someone's always got to get there first. I feel like it'd be like one of the Google heads suing Apple if they were to make a search engine.
If ANYONE has a right to be pissed at Android it's Oracle.
But, was the thing swapped around (Android coming first) the anomosity, I'm sure, would remain from Apple's side, but Google wouldn't be trying to sue the crap out of them.
Apple's problem is jealousy of your rival from across the town stealing your girlfriend. It's petty.
Of course, this comes from an Android user :-) |
i agree that the patent laws needs to be addressed but if apple and microsoft spend the time on research and development and also the money to acquire companies for their patents, like what google just did with motorola. then its fair game. |
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10/21/2011 07:35:02 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by NiallOTuama:
Pathetic. |
its not pathetic, Microsoft for one gets $15 for everyone android phone sold due to patent infringements of android. Google set them self up perfect by not selling the code and leaving the handset manufacturers with the full liability.
if you look at android its a straight iOS rippoff and now its ripping off of WP7. iphones exclusivity to ATT helped android take off, its non becuase its a superior OS, its because it was the only other viable option available to the handset manufacturers and the other carriers pushed it. |
What I meant was pathetic was that he'd kill Apple to destroy Android. Kill his company to destroy one product of Google's.
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10/21/2011 08:25:50 AM · #8 |
I am not as technical as you guys on the issues, but it seems sad when money is not enough, but when you fuel yourself on revenge, negativity, and perceived marketable snob appeal exclusivity, rather than inclusivity, in the true spirit of innovation.
I guess if you concentrate your energies on starting charitable associations rather than snuffing out the competition, perhaps its better for your overall health and wellbeing. |
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10/21/2011 08:47:39 AM · #9 |
It's BS. Apple has stolen "adopted" plenty of ideas as well. It only becomes an issue (and a source of income) if the competitor starts making some real money when they improve on your idea. Apple, Microsoft, Google, etc. are all cut from the same cloth. Apple is just better at selling the image they want the public to have of them.
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10/21/2011 10:02:39 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
I guess if you concentrate your energies on starting charitable associations rather than snuffing out the competition, perhaps its better for your overall health and wellbeing. |
I just can't decide whether to call him 'St. Bill' or 'St. Gates'
Put it this way, whether your name is Gates, Jobs, or Balmer you don't get to the top of a multi-billion dollar industry by playing nice. |
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10/21/2011 10:34:43 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by JH:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
I guess if you concentrate your energies on starting charitable associations rather than snuffing out the competition, perhaps its better for your overall health and wellbeing. |
I just can't decide whether to call him 'St. Bill' or 'St. Gates'
Put it this way, whether your name is Gates, Jobs, or Balmer you don't get to the top of a multi-billion dollar industry by playing nice. |
everyone has baggage, but you cant look at android and not admit its not a blatant ripoff of iOS, eve the latest ice cream sandwich is a mish-mash of both iOS and WP7. Apple was right to go after them, why do you think apple doesn't go after Microsoft, becuase they cant, it doesn't look like iOS they dont rip off their features, if they want a feature they "acquire" a company for it patents and incorporate them into their own OS, just like apple does.
Google just take the IP of others and says "have at it, just keep generating ad revenue for us."
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10/21/2011 10:51:14 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by NiallOTuama:
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by NiallOTuama:
Pathetic. |
its not pathetic, Microsoft for one gets $15 for everyone android phone sold due to patent infringements of android. Google set them self up perfect by not selling the code and leaving the handset manufacturers with the full liability.
if you look at android its a straight iOS rippoff and now its ripping off of WP7. iphones exclusivity to ATT helped android take off, its non becuase its a superior OS, its because it was the only other viable option available to the handset manufacturers and the other carriers pushed it. |
What I meant was pathetic was that he'd kill Apple to destroy Android. Kill his company to destroy one product of Google's. |
Even more pathetic is a failure to recognize hyperbole. ;-) |
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10/21/2011 10:59:32 AM · #13 |
Xerox called, they want their GUI back.
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10/21/2011 11:04:53 AM · #14 |
This seems a little odd, coming from a guy who once said, "We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas"
Originally posted by mike_311:
“I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple’s $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. I’m going to destroy Android, because it’s a stolen product. I’m willing to go thermonuclear war on this.”
“I don’t want your money. If you offer me $5 billion, I won’t want it. I’ve got plenty of money. I want you to stop using our ideas in Android, that’s all I want.” |
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10/21/2011 11:06:29 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
It's BS. Apple has stolen "adopted" plenty of ideas as well. It only becomes an issue (and a source of income) if the competitor starts making some real money when they improve on your idea. Apple, Microsoft, Google, etc. are all cut from the same cloth. Apple is just better at selling the image they want the public to have of them. |
I was thinking the same exact thing! |
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10/21/2011 11:09:58 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Xerox called, they want their GUI back. |
for real you had that
see DOS
see DOS run
run DOS run
t-shirt didn't you |
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10/21/2011 11:46:40 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by o2bskating:
t-shirt didn't you |
No, but I do have this one:
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10/21/2011 12:35:44 PM · #18 |
ive got that t-shirt and one that says RTFM from my days at Sun microsystem, working for their itops on solaris mainframes ohh the good old geeky days, i know where it to work some times and have to explain the RTFM hehe
ive got a sun e240 server 2x450mhz sparc cpu's in the office running some sunrays hehe, good old geeky days
Message edited by author 2011-10-21 12:36:09. |
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10/21/2011 12:38:53 PM · #19 |
it's kinda like when people get upset when a picture they took is used without compensation or permission. Except in Apple's case there are a lot more zeros involved.
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10/21/2011 12:48:12 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
it's kinda like when people get upset when a picture they took is used without compensation or permission. Except in Apple's case there are a lot more zeros involved. |
Not really, it's more like you took picture someone liked, so they went out to the same location and took a similar picture. Then you got mad because theirs ended up looking better then yours ;-) |
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10/21/2011 02:10:03 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by bmatt17:
Originally posted by scarbrd:
it's kinda like when people get upset when a picture they took is used without compensation or permission. Except in Apple's case there are a lot more zeros involved. |
Not really, it's more like you took picture someone liked, so they went out to the same location and took a similar picture. Then you got mad because theirs ended up looking better then yours ;-) |
Funny. That actually happened and the plaintiff (the original photographer) won. Trying to find the story. |
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10/21/2011 02:31:04 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
It's BS. Apple has stolen "adopted" plenty of ideas as well. It only becomes an issue (and a source of income) if the competitor starts making some real money when they improve on your idea. Apple, Microsoft, Google, etc. are all cut from the same cloth. Apple is just better at selling the image they want the public to have of them. |
Funny isn't it... When someone rips off apple it's stealing but when apple rips something else off it's call innovation :shrug: It's a shame because there was some world changing work that was done by Xerox and a stack of others which was adopted , improved and marketed by others. I just don't see what's wrong with acknowledging some of that..... but it's not going to come from the Apple, Microsoft, whatever cults.
I don't doubt that quote is from Jobs as it's part of people like that.... Have a look at the ego on people like Larry Elison and lots of others. |
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10/21/2011 02:31:11 PM · #23 |
| Fortunately with the loose understanding of software by the patent office and the money IP lawyers can make suing people, we should kill off software development in the USA in the next quarter century. Patent trolls on parade |
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10/21/2011 02:34:49 PM · #24 |
Maybe Android people are smarter ;)
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10/21/2011 02:45:41 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by Giles_uk:
must be annoying though for apple to develop products at great expense then everyone else copy their ideas....
how would you feel?
innovators and imitators same with the ipad as well, they cant sell the samsung one in germany due to copyright restrictions
be interesting to hear the argument against intellectual property from a bunch of photographers....... |
There's not much to argue. As long as they aren't infringing on copyrights or intellectual property, they are fine. You can't copyright an idea.
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