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08/17/2011 03:23:34 PM · #76 |
Originally posted by TheDruid:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by rugman1969:
It should get a 1 or 2 if it doesn't meet the challenge. Why would anyone vote it higher when others took the time to follow the challenge description? I feel giving a DNMC more than a 2 is unfair to all the people who met the challenge. |
The concept of "time" is not as simple and narrow as you may have thought. You are entitled to your opinion (and your low vote and DNMC comment), but I suggest you open your mind to alternative, creative interpretations. After all, time is much more than an analog or digital tool/toy. If there were no clocks/watches, how would you present an image of time?
It was Emerson who said, "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds..." |
Do not listen to them!!!! You have the right to vote how ever you like. |
Thank you for your understanding. I will continue my voting preferences. |
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08/17/2011 03:24:45 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by IAmEliKatz:
[quote=hahn23
The concept of "time" is not as simple and narrow as you may have thought. You are entitled to your opinion (and your low vote and DNMC comment), but I suggest you open your mind to alternative, creative interpretations. After all, time is much more than an analog or digital tool/toy. If there were no clocks/watches, how would you present an image of time? |
I do agree with you, but time can be represented in more ways than just a clock. Clocks and watches display the time. Rust, age, the golden hour and clocks too are Symbols of time..
This challenge along with many others allow people to think outside the box and create something they feel meets the challenge. I don't see how one can go and say, "No, Your wrong. This is wrong. Your entry DNMC blah blah blah..", maybe you don't understand the pov from the photographer, maybe you just don't "get it". [/quote]
Maybe I do get it, and it doesn't meet the challenge. |
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08/17/2011 03:26:47 PM · #78 |
Originally posted by FourPointX:
however if i see a tack sharp perfectly lit portrait of a dog in a challenge for "work" and the title is "working for your attention" i will see that as a shameless shoehorn and not a creative interpretation. |
Seriously? I think that fits! Does the dog have that great begging look? The eyes looking up both pitifully and with love and hope??
Work it boy! Earn that cookie! That example is one I would give a 10 to if it was well shot for the challenge "Work"
But I have known dogs that will spend the effort and work to earn a treat from even the most cold stoned hearted person, serious work!
So that example speaks loudly to my heart. |
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08/17/2011 03:34:21 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by rugman1969:
Maybe I do get it, and it doesn't meet the challenge. |
Maybe..
But that's exactly the point. Not everyone is the same, not everyone will have the same tastes, likes, dislikes and on and on...
Just because you see a 10 doesn't mean I won't see 4.
Everyone is entitled to their own creativity, their own opinions and that's the end of it. |
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08/17/2011 03:35:14 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by amsterdamman:
Originally posted by rugman1969:
For example: If Ansel Adams put one of his landscapes in this challenge, would you vote it high because it is a good photo? I wouldn't, because it would not meet the challenge. |
I find that a vote of 5 is destructive enough to the end score that I don't go much under unless its one of the major mess of a wtf? image titled "IMG_2905" (still go 1 here).
So, I'd probably give Ansel a 7 if I could stretch the DNMC to reach his title and see the challenge from his image,
and if it was so bad a DNMC like a B&W landscape in a "Pastel Portrait" challenge I'd give him a 4/5 at worst. Those 5's are ribbon killers.
But thats just me. |
And that is one of the voting/scoring problems. There is a reason the voting scale is 1-10, and you should use the scale respectively. BUt lets assume they changed the scale to 5-10. Would you then hesitate to vote anyone a 5 because it is the lowest score? See the problem? Before long, with enough voting scale adjustments, the scale would only be 10. Where's the fun in that? |
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08/17/2011 03:37:41 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by amsterdamman:
Originally posted by FourPointX:
however if i see a tack sharp perfectly lit portrait of a dog in a challenge for "work" and the title is "working for your attention" i will see that as a shameless shoehorn and not a creative interpretation. |
Seriously? I think that fits! Does the dog have that great begging look? The eyes looking up both pitifully and with love and hope??
Work it boy! Earn that cookie! That example is one I would give a 10 to if it was well shot for the challenge "Work"
But I have known dogs that will spend the effort and work to earn a treat from even the most cold stoned hearted person, serious work!
So that example speaks loudly to my heart. |
I see your point, but you are supposed to vote based on skill, quality, creativity, and challenge guidelines, not with your heart. That cheats everyone who followed the guidelines out of a better finish. |
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08/17/2011 03:43:25 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by IAmEliKatz:
Originally posted by rugman1969:
Maybe I do get it, and it doesn't meet the challenge. |
Maybe..
But that's exactly the point. Not everyone is the same, not everyone will have the same tastes, likes, dislikes and on and on...
Just because you see a 10 doesn't mean I won't see 4.
Everyone is entitled to their own creativity, their own opinions and that's the end of it. |
Your right, as long as it fits within the challenge rules, there should be no problem when it comes to voting. |
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08/17/2011 03:44:47 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by amsterdamman:
Originally posted by FourPointX:
however if i see a tack sharp perfectly lit portrait of a dog in a challenge for "work" and the title is "working for your attention" i will see that as a shameless shoehorn and not a creative interpretation. |
Seriously? I think that fits! Does the dog have that great begging look? The eyes looking up both pitifully and with love and hope??
Work it boy! Earn that cookie! That example is one I would give a 10 to if it was well shot for the challenge "Work"
But I have known dogs that will spend the effort and work to earn a treat from even the most cold stoned hearted person, serious work!
So that example speaks loudly to my heart. |
excellent! then the photog hit his mark with you, and should be rewarded with a great vote and maybe even a comment!
however, if it fails to connect with me, that's not my fault, or the photogs fault, and for this exact reason i'll restrain from voting on a challenge where i'm not making the connection |
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08/17/2011 03:46:29 PM · #84 |
Ha ! No brown for me ! I like your score !
Originally posted by TheDruid:
ROFL, got my first DNMC!!!! yayeee happy dance.
Votes: 45
Views: 76
Avg Vote: 3.6444
Comments: 2 |
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08/17/2011 03:48:23 PM · #85 |
| So...we have one group trolling against the lack of creative subject matter and we have another group trolling against perceived DNMC. Does that mean this will be the first challenge where someone ribbons with a 4.xxx? Awesome, guys. |
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08/17/2011 03:49:48 PM · #86 |
I checked the challenge guidelines on the "Time III" it says:
"Details: Photograph the subject of `Time` as best you can."
SInce it has "as best you can" I think there can be no DNMC for this one, these are simply the best the photographer can make, that week.
(I'm so filled with love today! At least, I think thats love...) |
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08/17/2011 03:49:52 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by FourPointX:
Originally posted by amsterdamman:
Originally posted by FourPointX:
however if i see a tack sharp perfectly lit portrait of a dog in a challenge for "work" and the title is "working for your attention" i will see that as a shameless shoehorn and not a creative interpretation. |
Seriously? I think that fits! Does the dog have that great begging look? The eyes looking up both pitifully and with love and hope??
Work it boy! Earn that cookie! That example is one I would give a 10 to if it was well shot for the challenge "Work"
But I have known dogs that will spend the effort and work to earn a treat from even the most cold stoned hearted person, serious work!
So that example speaks loudly to my heart. |
excellent! then the photog hit his mark with you, and should be rewarded with a great vote and maybe even a comment!
however, if it fails to connect with me, that's not my fault, or the photogs fault, and for this exact reason i'll restrain from voting on a challenge where i'm not making the connection |
The fun in voting is the challenge. You are supposed to look for the "connection" and vote accordingly. We are encouraged to vote on DPC, and you should not 'not vote' in a challenge whether or not you are making a connection. You should vote regardless as much as you can. That is why we enter challenges. We want votes regardless. We just want an honest vote, not a troll vote.
Message edited by author 2011-08-17 15:50:34. |
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08/17/2011 03:51:30 PM · #88 |
Just remember a good image always overcomes the DNMC votes, especially in a challenge when things can be interpreted differently.
I vote on this challenge as i do in all of them, with an open mind, trying to see what the photographer was trying to portray, rigidity has never helped Art in anyway. |
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08/17/2011 03:52:32 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by amsterdamman:
I checked the challenge guidelines on the "Time III" it says:
"Details: Photograph the subject of `Time` as best you can."
SInce it has "as best you can" I think there can be no DNMC for this one, these are simply the best the photographer can make, that week.
(I'm so filled with love today! At least, I think thats love...) |
So I can take a photo of a bridge and title it "takes a long time to drive over this bridge" and not have it called a shoehorn or DNMC? Cmon, it only takes a little effort or common sense to tell the difference. The title doesn't make the challenge, the photo does. the title only describes what you are photographing, for the most part. |
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08/17/2011 03:53:05 PM · #90 |
There can be NO DNMC?...then it's a free study.
Originally posted by amsterdamman:
I checked the challenge guidelines on the "Time III" it says:
"Details: Photograph the subject of `Time` as best you can."
SInce it has "as best you can" I think there can be no DNMC for this one, these are simply the best the photographer can make, that week.
(I'm so filled with love today! At least, I think thats love...) |
Message edited by author 2011-08-17 15:53:54. |
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08/17/2011 03:56:33 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
There can be NO DNMC?...then it's a free study.
Originally posted by amsterdamman:
I checked the challenge guidelines on the "Time III" it says:
"Details: Photograph the subject of `Time` as best you can."
SInce it has "as best you can" I think there can be no DNMC for this one, these are simply the best the photographer can make, that week.
(I'm so filled with love today! At least, I think thats love...) |
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Well, if you want to be REALLY open-minded about it, everything in a photograph has existed in "time" so... : ) |
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08/17/2011 04:03:58 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by geinafets:
Originally posted by kenskid:
There can be NO DNMC?...then it's a free study.
Originally posted by amsterdamman:
I checked the challenge guidelines on the "Time III" it says:
"Details: Photograph the subject of `Time` as best you can."
SInce it has "as best you can" I think there can be no DNMC for this one, these are simply the best the photographer can make, that week.
(I'm so filled with love today! At least, I think thats love...) |
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Well, if you want to be REALLY open-minded about it, everything in a photograph has existed in "time" so... : ) |
And it's up to us as ADULTS or knowledgable photographers to be able to tell the difference between a free study shot and a meets challenge requirements shot. Technically, if you read most challenge rules loosely enough, every challenge could be a free study. It's up to us to determine and vote accordingly. There needs to be a limit to how 'open' we are when voting.
Message edited by author 2011-08-17 16:04:40. |
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08/17/2011 04:07:14 PM · #93 |
Photo listed on left, title listed on right:
A City Bus = Time to take Mass Trasportation
A Hotel = Time for Vacation
A Cat looking at a bird = Timing his attack
A rock hitting a calm lake = Time to make some waves
A dead leaf = Time took it's toll
A photo of an old goat = Old TIMEr
A photo of someone's hemmoroids = Time for Preparation H.
Should any be scored over a 5 in this challenge...no matter how well the photo is done?
**Hey Rug...good to see you back....did you enter or are you just wasting everyone's TIME?! Muuahhaaahahaaa ! |
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08/17/2011 04:10:40 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
Photo listed on left, title listed on right:
A City Bus = Time to take Mass Trasportation
A Hotel = Time for Vacation
A Cat looking at a bird = Timing his attack
A rock hitting a calm lake = Time to make some waves
A dead leaf = Time took it's toll
A photo of an old goat = Old TIMEr
A photo of someone's hemmoroids = Time for Preparation H.
Should any be scored over a 5 in this challenge...no matter how well the photo is done?
**Hey Rug...good to see you back....did you enter or are you just wasting everyone's TIME?! Muuahhaaahahaaa ! |
Hi Kenny...no comment! Like the last example...prep h...roflmao
Message edited by author 2011-08-17 16:11:09. |
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08/17/2011 04:15:51 PM · #95 |
Those entries with loose interpretations will always fall into the middle of the pack, there is no need to beat them to a pulp for being creative.
Some people have jobs, and that was the best shot they had time to get this week.
I for one, am a photographer, so I shoot more than enough in a week without making many special trips for a challenge entry, thank you.
If I can find a creative use of one of the events or subjects that I am already shooting, so much the better.
I find it interesting the divide on the value and worth of titles. I find them of critical importance and a huge part of the creation of ~Art~ whatever that is.
Yes, it is art left untitled, but we all think of "Mona Lisa", not as "that chick" and would she be so loved, titled: "Painting_17"?
This is the horrible rub about being free to vote in your own way, everyone else will do it differently than you do!
We are all right.
Freedom of expression!
Choose to choose!
Vote DNMC, don't vote DNMC, go for it!
Love life, its the only one we have.
Don't worry, the DNMC entries will not ribbon or even top 10, it takes agreement that its great to ribbon.
(It was love after all!) |
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08/17/2011 04:16:19 PM · #96 |
Originally posted by rugman1969:
Originally posted by IAmEliKatz:
Originally posted by rugman1969:
Maybe I do get it, and it doesn't meet the challenge. |
Maybe..
But that's exactly the point. Not everyone is the same, not everyone will have the same tastes, likes, dislikes and on and on...
Just because you see a 10 doesn't mean I won't see 4.
Everyone is entitled to their own creativity, their own opinions and that's the end of it. |
Your right, as long as it fits within the challenge rules, there should be no problem when it comes to voting. |
But whose to say what the challenge rules are... Like I said, the photographer or artist may see a 10 while you see a 3.. You cant put rules on creativity and thought.. |
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08/17/2011 04:18:25 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by amsterdamman:
Those entries with loose interpretations will always fall into the middle of the pack, there is no need to beat them to a pulp for being creative.
Some people have jobs, and that was the best shot they had time to get this week.
I for one, am a photographer, so I shoot more than enough in a week without making many special trips for a challenge entry, thank you.
If I can find a creative use of one of the events or subjects that I am already shooting, so much the better.
I find it interesting the divide on the value and worth of titles. I find them of critical importance and a huge part of the creation of ~Art~ whatever that is.
Yes, it is art left untitled, but we all think of "Mona Lisa", not as "that chick" and would she be so loved, titled: "Painting_17"?
This is the horrible rub about being free to vote in your own way, everyone else will do it differently than you do!
We are all right.
Freedom of expression!
Choose to choose!
Vote DNMC, don't vote DNMC, go for it!
Love life, its the only one we have.
Don't worry, the DNMC entries will not ribbon or even top 10, it takes agreement that its great to ribbon.
(It was love after all!) |
here here! I totally agree. Free to vote the way you feel. Don't get mad at the DNMC's, just try harder the next time. |
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08/17/2011 04:20:11 PM · #98 |
Originally posted by rugman1969:
Originally posted by geinafets:
Originally posted by kenskid:
There can be NO DNMC?...then it's a free study.
Originally posted by amsterdamman:
I checked the challenge guidelines on the "Time III" it says:
"Details: Photograph the subject of `Time` as best you can."
SInce it has "as best you can" I think there can be no DNMC for this one, these are simply the best the photographer can make, that week.
(I'm so filled with love today! At least, I think thats love...) |
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Well, if you want to be REALLY open-minded about it, everything in a photograph has existed in "time" so... : ) |
And it's up to us as ADULTS or knowledgable photographers to be able to tell the difference between a free study shot and a meets challenge requirements shot. Technically, if you read most challenge rules loosely enough, every challenge could be a free study. It's up to us to determine and vote accordingly. There needs to be a limit to how 'open' we are when voting. |
Cool, you are a knowledgable photographer and an adult. Two thumbs up. |
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08/17/2011 04:21:13 PM · #99 |
Originally posted by rugman1969:
Originally posted by amsterdamman:
Those entries with loose interpretations will always fall into the middle of the pack, there is no need to beat them to a pulp for being creative.
Some people have jobs, and that was the best shot they had time to get this week.
I for one, am a photographer, so I shoot more than enough in a week without making many special trips for a challenge entry, thank you.
If I can find a creative use of one of the events or subjects that I am already shooting, so much the better.
I find it interesting the divide on the value and worth of titles. I find them of critical importance and a huge part of the creation of ~Art~ whatever that is.
Yes, it is art left untitled, but we all think of "Mona Lisa", not as "that chick" and would she be so loved, titled: "Painting_17"?
This is the horrible rub about being free to vote in your own way, everyone else will do it differently than you do!
We are all right.
Freedom of expression!
Choose to choose!
Vote DNMC, don't vote DNMC, go for it!
Love life, its the only one we have.
Don't worry, the DNMC entries will not ribbon or even top 10, it takes agreement that its great to ribbon.
(It was love after all!) |
here here! I totally agree. Free to vote the way you feel. Don't get mad at the DNMC's, just try harder the next time. |
ROFL... your killing me. |
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08/17/2011 04:25:59 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by IAmEliKatz:
Originally posted by rugman1969:
Originally posted by IAmEliKatz:
Originally posted by rugman1969:
Maybe I do get it, and it doesn't meet the challenge. |
Maybe..
But that's exactly the point. Not everyone is the same, not everyone will have the same tastes, likes, dislikes and on and on...
Just because you see a 10 doesn't mean I won't see 4.
Everyone is entitled to their own creativity, their own opinions and that's the end of it. |
Your right, as long as it fits within the challenge rules, there should be no problem when it comes to voting. |
But whose to say what the challenge rules are... Like I said, the photographer or artist may see a 10 while you see a 3.. You cant put rules on creativity and thought.. |
More important is what the client sees. The more money they pay the righter you are. |
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