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08/17/2011 01:09:36 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by bergiekat:
Ok, will have to vote later. Some stellar images, but the shoehorns get me frustrated, beautiful or not! |
glad it wasn't just me. some images are perfect, but i can't correlate the meaning with the exception of a carefully worded title. |
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08/17/2011 01:15:41 PM · #52 |
Time... what represents time apart from a clock? :/ I mean really, time is quite an abstract concept. There are a lot of things that relate to time. I don't know if my entry is DNMC with it's 4.7 something score, but photographing a clock or watch is a bit of cliche. DPC is a great site because it forces you to photograph subjects you wouldn't normally, or use different techniques to your usual. But artistically it isn't very open.
Having said that there are some lovely images of clocks and I don't think that's a bad thing. But really, what else can very literally represent time in such a way that DPC voters will appreciate? |
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08/17/2011 01:26:13 PM · #53 |
A part from a clock? I would think an hourglass.
As there are some entries with an hourglass.
Or a stopwatch.
Note that some people have to work with the objects they have at home. Not everyone has the time to go out to buy other stuff. If you don't have an hourglass at your disposal, you have to work with what you have
Guess the voters don't want to see a real clock but e.g. a "self made" one.
Message edited by author 2011-08-17 13:28:52.
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08/17/2011 01:32:18 PM · #54 |
Nadine, I see what you're saying. I didn't mean to go out and buy stuff (I certainly didn't for mine). But the contest should just be called "Clocks" instead perhaps... that would be a lot clearer.
Originally posted by Nadine_Vb:
A part from a clock? I would think an hourglass.
As there are some entries with an hourglass.
Or a stopwatch.
Note that some people have to work with the objects they have at home. Not everyone has the time to go out to buy other stuff. If you don't have an hourglass at your disposal, you have to work with what you have
Guess the voters don't want to see a real clock but e.g. a "self made" one. |
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08/17/2011 01:35:25 PM · #55 |
Elle, what I meant: I completely agree with you ;)
I didn't go out either to buy additional stuff. I rarely do this.
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08/17/2011 01:36:46 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by CrazyDiamond:
Time... what represents time apart from a clock? :/ I mean really, time is quite an abstract concept. There are a lot of things that relate to time. I don't know if my entry is DNMC with it's 4.7 something score, but photographing a clock or watch is a bit of cliche. DPC is a great site because it forces you to photograph subjects you wouldn't normally, or use different techniques to your usual. But artistically it isn't very open.
Having said that there are some lovely images of clocks and I don't think that's a bad thing. But really, what else can very literally represent time in such a way that DPC voters will appreciate? |
a c
Calendars, stopwatch, decay, rust, things that become what they are only because of time as in a length of time span, not just showing something at a certain time, IMHO. Actually, this would be the partner challenge to the abandoned buildings challenge, lol. (We seem to do things in pairs on DPC!) |
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08/17/2011 01:37:32 PM · #57 |
| A baghead called my image a "shoehorn" in a comment that was roughly correlated with a DNMC type vote. That person must have a very, very narrow and exclusionary interpretation of the challenge to make such an allegation. I'll just ignore the nonsense. |
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08/17/2011 01:46:36 PM · #58 |
| I'm just curious, but why do people think that if they title an entry that meets the challenge means there photo will? I have seen more titles meeting this entry than photos. What gives? Can someone explain this to me? I can see sometimes when it may be a deep photo with an unusual meaning, but come on. |
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08/17/2011 01:48:21 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by Nadine_Vb:
Elle, what I meant: I completely agree with you ;)
I didn't go out either to buy additional stuff. I rarely do this. |
Tbh I don't think I've ever done that :P
Haha. |
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08/17/2011 01:48:34 PM · #60 |
Lots of photogs took watch/clock photos. They took the risk of being judged among a sea of watch/clock photos. The watch/clock photo must be standout to get a good score DPC score. My 2c
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08/17/2011 01:49:58 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by CrazyDiamond:
Time... what represents time apart from a clock? :/ I mean really, time is quite an abstract concept. There are a lot of things that relate to time. I don't know if my entry is DNMC with it's 4.7 something score, but photographing a clock or watch is a bit of cliche. DPC is a great site because it forces you to photograph subjects you wouldn't normally, or use different techniques to your usual. But artistically it isn't very open.
Having said that there are some lovely images of clocks and I don't think that's a bad thing. But really, what else can very literally represent time in such a way that DPC voters will appreciate? |
I hear ya, and voting on the entries in this challenge I saw only a couple that did not have clocks but did meet the challenge with the concept of time. My second highest vote was on a non-clock/watch entry. But many were just straight up shoehorn or DNMC. Point taken, but time means many things, it just depends on how the voter sees it, and it's not always the same way the photographer sees it. It's up to the photographer to explain it with their photo. That's when it's a good photo. Then, of course, the photo will have to be well taken. The shoehorns and DNMC's really just get to me and I relate how I feel about it when I vote. I'm sorry if that may anger some, but that's hpw I feel about it when others took the time and creativeness and tried to come up with something to actually meet the challenge.
I.E. If someone takes a pic of a fan with a watch in front of it and titles it "blowing time", the thought was there and it meets challenge. But if someone takes a pic of a desk and titles it "old time", my take on that is shoehorn or DNMC. Your take on it may be different. Everybody sees it their own way. just my 2 cents also.
Message edited by author 2011-08-17 14:00:00. |
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08/17/2011 01:50:43 PM · #62 |
| we will explain it to you but you must pay us with a bucket of time. please do not allow it to slop over the sides and onto your shoes. do not wave it in the air or put a pinch of it between your cheek and gum. and please make sure it has the appropriate color and texture. |
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08/17/2011 02:20:49 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by Nadine_Vb:
Originally posted by kenskid:
Votes: 1
Views: 1
Avg Vote: 1.0000
Comments: 0
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Updated: 08/17/11 12:11 am |
Quickly browsed the entries and NONE OF ALL THE ENTRIES is that bad that it deserves a 1.
I hope that Mr Troll gets his act together and corrects his errors!
Votes: 10
Views: 19
Avg Vote: 5.3000
Comments: 0 |
It should get a 1 or 2 if it doesn't meet the challenge. Why would anyone vote it higher when others took the time to follow the challenge description? I feel giving a DNMC more than a 2 is unfair to all the people who met the challenge. |
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08/17/2011 02:23:53 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by bergiekat:
Originally posted by CrazyDiamond:
Time... what represents time apart from a clock? :/ I mean really, time is quite an abstract concept. There are a lot of things that relate to time. I don't know if my entry is DNMC with it's 4.7 something score, but photographing a clock or watch is a bit of cliche. DPC is a great site because it forces you to photograph subjects you wouldn't normally, or use different techniques to your usual. But artistically it isn't very open.
Having said that there are some lovely images of clocks and I don't think that's a bad thing. But really, what else can very literally represent time in such a way that DPC voters will appreciate? |
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Calendars, stopwatch, decay, rust, things that become what they are only because of time as in a length of time span, not just showing something at a certain time, IMHO. Actually, this would be the partner challenge to the abandoned buildings challenge, lol. (We seem to do things in pairs on DPC!) |
Funny, I didn't see any calendars in this challenge. |
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08/17/2011 02:28:11 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by rugman1969:
It should get a 1 or 2 if it doesn't meet the challenge. Why would anyone vote it higher when others took the time to follow the challenge description? I feel giving a DNMC more than a 2 is unfair to all the people who met the challenge. |
The concept of "time" is not as simple and narrow as you may have thought. You are entitled to your opinion (and your low vote and DNMC comment), but I suggest you open your mind to alternative, creative interpretations. After all, time is much more than an analog or digital tool/toy. If there were no clocks/watches, how would you present an image of time?
It was Emerson who said, "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds..." |
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08/17/2011 02:37:56 PM · #66 |
ROFL, got my first DNMC!!!! yayeee happy dance.
Votes: 45
Views: 76
Avg Vote: 3.6444
Comments: 2
Message edited by author 2011-08-17 14:38:49. |
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08/17/2011 02:40:02 PM · #67 |
My last 4 scores illustrate this challenge very nicely:
8,2,2,8 |
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08/17/2011 02:41:46 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by rugman1969:
It should get a 1 or 2 if it doesn't meet the challenge. Why would anyone vote it higher when others took the time to follow the challenge description? I feel giving a DNMC more than a 2 is unfair to all the people who met the challenge. |
The concept of "time" is not as simple and narrow as you may have thought. You are entitled to your opinion (and your low vote and DNMC comment), but I suggest you open your mind to alternative, creative interpretations. After all, time is much more than an analog or digital tool/toy. If there were no clocks/watches, how would you present an image of time?
It was Emerson who said, "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds..." |
Do not listen to them!!!! You have the right to vote how ever you like. |
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08/17/2011 03:00:59 PM · #69 |
[quote=hahn23
The concept of "time" is not as simple and narrow as you may have thought. You are entitled to your opinion (and your low vote and DNMC comment), but I suggest you open your mind to alternative, creative interpretations. After all, time is much more than an analog or digital tool/toy. If there were no clocks/watches, how would you present an image of time? [/quote]
I do agree with you, but time can be represented in more ways than just a clock. Clocks and watches display the time. Rust, age, the golden hour and clocks too are Symbols of time..
This challenge along with many others allow people to think outside the box and create something they feel meets the challenge. I don't see how one can go and say, "No, Your wrong. This is wrong. Your entry DNMC blah blah blah..", maybe you don't understand the pov from the photographer, maybe you just don't "get it". |
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08/17/2011 03:03:46 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by rugman1969:
It should get a 1 or 2 if it doesn't meet the challenge. Why would anyone vote it higher when others took the time to follow the challenge description? I feel giving a DNMC more than a 2 is unfair to all the people who met the challenge. |
The concept of "time" is not as simple and narrow as you may have thought. You are entitled to your opinion (and your low vote and DNMC comment), but I suggest you open your mind to alternative, creative interpretations. After all, time is much more than an analog or digital tool/toy. If there were no clocks/watches, how would you present an image of time?
It was Emerson who said, "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds..." |
Richard, as I said in a previous post, my second highest vote had no clock/watch in it. It was based on a concept of time, and the photographer showed it perfectly. I also gave quite a few photos with no clock/watch in them a 6 or better, and also gave a quite a few with a clock/watch in them lower scores based on the quality. I just can't score a nice photo that DNMC high because it takes away from the photos that do meet the challenge. A title that meets the challenge doesn't necessarily make the photo meet the challenge also. I appreciate the fact you realize I am entitled to my opinion, but you would be surprised at how open I can be. I cannot tell you which photo I scored high on in the forums, but I will pm you which one. I thank you for your reply, but I will currently stick to my personal voting style for the time. |
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08/17/2011 03:05:26 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by IAmEliKatz:
[quote=hahn23
The concept of "time" is not as simple and narrow as you may have thought. You are entitled to your opinion (and your low vote and DNMC comment), but I suggest you open your mind to alternative, creative interpretations. After all, time is much more than an analog or digital tool/toy. If there were no clocks/watches, how would you present an image of time? |
I do agree with you, but time can be represented in more ways than just a clock. Clocks and watches display the time. Rust, age, the golden hour and clocks too are Symbols of time..
This challenge along with many others allow people to think outside the box and create something they feel meets the challenge. I don't see how one can go and say, "No, Your wrong. This is wrong. Your entry DNMC blah blah blah..", maybe you don't understand the pov from the photographer, maybe you just don't "get it". [/quote]
Or maybe the photographer is trying to shoehorn in an image that DNMC. Just my opinion. Some are just too obvious, and some try to make it fit with a title. I try to look at the overall theme and photo before I vote. Some just don't make it. |
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08/17/2011 03:06:30 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by TheDruid:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by rugman1969:
It should get a 1 or 2 if it doesn't meet the challenge. Why would anyone vote it higher when others took the time to follow the challenge description? I feel giving a DNMC more than a 2 is unfair to all the people who met the challenge. |
The concept of "time" is not as simple and narrow as you may have thought. You are entitled to your opinion (and your low vote and DNMC comment), but I suggest you open your mind to alternative, creative interpretations. After all, time is much more than an analog or digital tool/toy. If there were no clocks/watches, how would you present an image of time?
It was Emerson who said, "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds..." |
Do not listen to them!!!! You have the right to vote how ever you like. |
Yes, you do have the right to vote as you wish. But interpretation and art should both be taken loosely not literally, if for no other reason than life and art are insanely boring if there was no variation and creative interpretations. 214 images of a seiko sports watch. Ugh! I realize some people are creative-blind. But even they can develop and learn to grow a more appreciative eye.
I hope you do not mind me posting one of yours Robert, but this is so fantastic  "Sky-Lines" from the challenge: skylines.
well after I have forgotten every other entry, this one, this one very artistic interpretation of a photo will come back to my mind.
Is it a amazing shot? No. Does it even meet the challenge, probably not. But when the title is slipped into your mind, how can your head not think stuff, chuckle and agree????
Well, its not much, but thats exactly what art is, that title and that image are: Art. Quiet, simple and with a creative interpretation that makes the viewer think. Classic stuff. |
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08/17/2011 03:12:59 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by amsterdamman:
Originally posted by TheDruid:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by rugman1969:
It should get a 1 or 2 if it doesn't meet the challenge. Why would anyone vote it higher when others took the time to follow the challenge description? I feel giving a DNMC more than a 2 is unfair to all the people who met the challenge. |
The concept of "time" is not as simple and narrow as you may have thought. You are entitled to your opinion (and your low vote and DNMC comment), but I suggest you open your mind to alternative, creative interpretations. After all, time is much more than an analog or digital tool/toy. If there were no clocks/watches, how would you present an image of time?
It was Emerson who said, "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds..." |
Do not listen to them!!!! You have the right to vote how ever you like. |
Yes, you do have the right to vote as you wish. But interpretation and art should both be taken loosely not literally, if for no other reason than life and art are insanely boring if there was no variation and creative interpretations. 214 images of a seiko sports watch. Ugh! I realize some people are creative-blind. But even they can develop and learn to grow a more appreciative eye.
I hope you do not mind me posting one of yours Robert, but this is so fantastic "Sky-Lines" from the challenge: skylines.
well after I have forgotten every other entry, this one, this one very artistic interpretation of a photo will come back to my mind.
Is it a amazing shot? No. Does it even meet the challenge, probably not. But when the title is slipped into your mind, how can your head not think stuff, chuckle and agree????
Well, its not much, but thats exactly what art is, that title and that image are: Art. Quiet, simple and with a creative interpretation that makes the viewer think. Classic stuff. |
I take any photo interpretation loosely, but when there are guidelines to a challenge, it shrinks how loose I take it.
For example: If Ansel Adams put one of his landscapes in this challenge, would you vote it high because it is a good photo? I wouldn't, because it would not meet the challenge.
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08/17/2011 03:21:15 PM · #74 |
i understand what amsterdamman is saying, but i still agree with rugman.
the example provided from skylines was a pretty obvious attempt at creativity and thinking outside the box. however if i see a tack sharp perfectly lit portrait of a dog in a challenge for "work" and the title is "working for your attention" i will see that as a shameless shoehorn and not a creative interpretation.
note: i rarely vote lower than a 5 on any entry, i personally feel just taking the time and effort to shoot edit and enter a challenge is worth that. which is exactly why i've restrained myself from voting this challenge, i feel i would score several entries lower and therefore would rather pass... |
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08/17/2011 03:22:38 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by rugman1969:
For example: If Ansel Adams put one of his landscapes in this challenge, would you vote it high because it is a good photo? I wouldn't, because it would not meet the challenge. |
I find that a vote of 5 is destructive enough to the end score that I don't go much under unless its one of the major mess of a wtf? image titled "IMG_2905" (still go 1 here).
So, I'd probably give Ansel a 7 if I could stretch the DNMC to reach his title and see the challenge from his image,
and if it was so bad a DNMC like a B&W landscape in a "Pastel Portrait" challenge I'd give him a 4/5 at worst. Those 5's are ribbon killers.
But thats just me. |
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