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05/03/2011 11:04:50 AM · #1
Two rules: 1) Speed limit is 65mph on three lane highway. 2) Hwy signs asks that “Slower traffic stay to right lanes”

Who’s the jerk? The guy going 65 in the left hand lane or the car behind him riding his bumper in a effort to pass?

I’ll compile the results and reveal them later tonight. Discussion is of course welcome!

05/03/2011 11:08:01 AM · #2
A bit more to chew one...

It is illegal to drive above the posted speed limits.
In most states here in the US, it is illegal to 'travel' in the far left lane. You need to be in the active state of passing someone.
Further, in most states, it is also illegal to pass on the right hand side.

Message edited by author 2011-05-03 11:08:24.
05/03/2011 11:08:28 AM · #3
The left lane is for PASSING ONLY!!!! On the unlimited speed sections of the safest highway in the world (the german autobahn) the penalty for holding up traffic in the left lane is as bad as speeding.
05/03/2011 11:11:48 AM · #4
If the guy in the left lane is going the speed limit, he certainly does not qualify as "slower traffic." OTOH, common courtesy is to move to the right lane at any time when you are not passing. It's also common courtesy not to tailgate in an effort to get someone to move over. So my answer to "who's the jerk?" is "both."

Message edited by author 2011-05-03 11:12:27.
05/03/2011 11:12:06 AM · #5
Both... They should be trying to conserve fuel, or better yet, riding a bicycle.

Of course, I'm a jerk too. But there, that's my take.
05/03/2011 11:13:52 AM · #6
Depends on where I think, as in your example and in CT its illegal to pass on the right, and the far left lane is called the PASSING lane and is only meant for passing, so the guy going 65 in the left lane should have moved over the right lane after he was done doing whatever it was he was doing and none of this would be an issue. Not to mention it just cause road rage, does it hurt to move over and be considerate to your other drivers. And in most places that have these laws, you wont get a ticket for going 65-69 but you will get a ticket for passing on the right. So that driver is also forcing another illegal move as he doesnt want to move over even tho he is breaking the law as well.
05/03/2011 11:17:06 AM · #7
Steve Martin.
05/03/2011 11:22:54 AM · #8
Maybe both.

Unless Mr. 65 in the left lane has cars in front of him, he is a jerk for not sliding over for a car that obviously wants to pass.

If the driver that wants to pass continues to ride the bumper after it is clear Mr. 65 is not sliding over, then he is also a jerk and needs to chill. After all, Mr. 65 is at the legitimate speed limit.
05/03/2011 11:25:29 AM · #9
i just flash my high beams to let the person know i want them to move over. of course, they rarely see them in the day time.

Message edited by author 2011-05-03 11:25:41.
05/03/2011 11:26:16 AM · #10
Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Steve Martin.


Wow. A 1979 movie reference from a guy born around 1974. That is going deep. Very nice.
05/03/2011 11:39:39 AM · #11
Aren't the limits on three lane highways, slow, medium and fast? ROFL! In NJ if you do 65 in the left lane you will get run over.
05/03/2011 11:51:57 AM · #12
Originally posted by markwiley:

Wow. A 1979 movie reference from a guy born around 1974. That is going deep. Very nice.

Is the movie that old already? How time flies.
05/03/2011 11:52:24 AM · #13
Originally posted by Kelli:

Aren't the limits on three lane highways, slow, medium and fast? ROFL! In NJ if you do 65 in the left lane you will get run over.


In Chicago, if you do 65 in *any* lane, you'll get run over... by a school bus!
05/03/2011 11:52:29 AM · #14
maybe the "65 in a left lane guy" did not read his car owner manual... he just does not know how to use the rearview mirror. Its not his fault he is on the cell phone, playing with the radio, musterbating...or whatever else is more important to him than driving.
there are other things in life than to be observant, and on the top of everything, who can tell HIM what to do... he pays Taxes, every time he buys BEER.
05/03/2011 11:54:03 AM · #15
In Colorado, "A person shall not drive a motor vehicle in the passing lane of a highway if the speed limit is sixty-five miles per hour or more unless such person is passing other motor vehicles that are in a nonpassing lane or turning left, or unless the volume of traffic does not permit the motor vehicle to safely merge into a nonpassing lane."

in effect, this has come to mean you cannot travel for long in the passing lane, even if you are traveling at the posted speed limit. You must exceed the posted speed limit to merge right into a non-passing lane. Of course, you could slow down to find a place to merge right, but that would be certain death on most Colorado high speed highways.

I've been in Colorado for nine years. Only now am I getting accustomed to the tradition of driving way too fast for conditions. The responsibility for "Drivers Education" now resides with the parents, not the schools. This explains a lot about the persistence of bad driving habits, as poor drivers pass on more than their genetics.

The other significant aspect of Colorado Road Laws is the Road Rage statute. It's ironic that the most reckless and irresponsible drivers are the people who mostly use the Road Rage hotline to report safer drivers who get in their way.
05/03/2011 11:59:13 AM · #16
The A-hole tailgating is the jerk. So is the one that races up and cuts in between two cars, just to make a turn. And the one that deliberately pulls up and blocks a driveway/street, even though the traffic in front of him isn't moving, so that the person can't make the left turn.

Oops, rant over.
05/03/2011 12:01:12 PM · #17
Originally posted by hahn23:

Only now am I getting accustomed to the tradition of driving way too fast for conditions.


Driving is Colorado is always an adventure!!
05/03/2011 12:03:55 PM · #18
Originally posted by hahn23:

In Colorado, "A person shall not drive a motor vehicle in the passing lane of a highway if the speed limit is sixty-five miles per hour or more unless such person is passing other motor vehicles that are in a nonpassing lane or turning left, or unless the volume of traffic does not permit the motor vehicle to safely merge into a nonpassing lane."

in effect, this has come to mean you cannot travel for long in the passing lane, even if you are traveling at the posted speed limit. You must exceed the posted speed limit to merge right into a non-passing lane. Of course, you could slow down to find a place to merge right, but that would be certain death on most Colorado high speed highways.

I've been in Colorado for nine years. Only now am I getting accustomed to the tradition of driving way too fast for conditions. The responsibility for "Drivers Education" now resides with the parents, not the schools. This explains a lot about the persistence of bad driving habits, as poor drivers pass on more than their genetics.

The other significant aspect of Colorado Road Laws is the Road Rage statute. It's ironic that the most reckless and irresponsible drivers are the people who mostly use the Road Rage hotline to report safer drivers who get in their way.


This is how it is done in Germany. Left lane is for passing only and it works well. Unless of course there is a high volume of traffic but then everyone is moving slowly so who cares. If you are in the left lane here in Germany and you are holding someone up, you are the A hole and they will tailgate you, beep and flash their lights until you move out of the way.
05/03/2011 12:06:54 PM · #19
Originally posted by mczyzia:

Originally posted by hahn23:

In Colorado, "A person shall not drive a motor vehicle in the passing lane of a highway if the speed limit is sixty-five miles per hour or more unless such person is passing other motor vehicles that are in a nonpassing lane or turning left, or unless the volume of traffic does not permit the motor vehicle to safely merge into a nonpassing lane."

in effect, this has come to mean you cannot travel for long in the passing lane, even if you are traveling at the posted speed limit. You must exceed the posted speed limit to merge right into a non-passing lane. Of course, you could slow down to find a place to merge right, but that would be certain death on most Colorado high speed highways.

I've been in Colorado for nine years. Only now am I getting accustomed to the tradition of driving way too fast for conditions. The responsibility for "Drivers Education" now resides with the parents, not the schools. This explains a lot about the persistence of bad driving habits, as poor drivers pass on more than their genetics.

The other significant aspect of Colorado Road Laws is the Road Rage statute. It's ironic that the most reckless and irresponsible drivers are the people who mostly use the Road Rage hotline to report safer drivers who get in their way.


This is how it is done in Germany. Left lane is for passing only and it works well. Unless of course there is a high volume of traffic but then everyone is moving slowly so who cares. If you are in the left lane here in Germany and you are holding someone up, you are the A hole and they will tailgate you, beep and flash their lights until you move out of the way.


AMEN to that
05/03/2011 12:11:12 PM · #20
My pet pee....Left lane for passing what every the speed limit is. Drives me crazy when some one is parked in the passing lane doing or just under the speed limit and you have to pass them in the right lane......imo (None rush hour situations)
05/03/2011 12:23:52 PM · #21
Originally posted by mczyzia:

Originally posted by hahn23:

In Colorado, "A person shall not drive a motor vehicle in the passing lane of a highway if the speed limit is sixty-five miles per hour or more unless such person is passing other motor vehicles that are in a nonpassing lane or turning left, or unless the volume of traffic does not permit the motor vehicle to safely merge into a nonpassing lane."

in effect, this has come to mean you cannot travel for long in the passing lane, even if you are traveling at the posted speed limit. You must exceed the posted speed limit to merge right into a non-passing lane. Of course, you could slow down to find a place to merge right, but that would be certain death on most Colorado high speed highways.

I've been in Colorado for nine years. Only now am I getting accustomed to the tradition of driving way too fast for conditions. The responsibility for "Drivers Education" now resides with the parents, not the schools. This explains a lot about the persistence of bad driving habits, as poor drivers pass on more than their genetics.

The other significant aspect of Colorado Road Laws is the Road Rage statute. It's ironic that the most reckless and irresponsible drivers are the people who mostly use the Road Rage hotline to report safer drivers who get in their way.


This is how it is done in Germany. Left lane is for passing only and it works well. Unless of course there is a high volume of traffic but then everyone is moving slowly so who cares. If you are in the left lane here in Germany and you are holding someone up, you are the A hole and they will tailgate you, beep and flash their lights until you move out of the way.


It's the same in other parts of Eurpoe as well, but especially true in Germany.

Here in the states, the A-hole is the one with the most holes in him after the roadside shootout.
05/03/2011 12:28:28 PM · #22
Originally posted by Spork99:


Here in the states, the A-hole is the one with the most holes in him after the roadside shootout.


Just think of it as a "population control"

there is even a cheer to go with this event " Go Go NRA...Go Go NRA..." or something like that
05/03/2011 12:49:55 PM · #23
Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by Kelli:

Aren't the limits on three lane highways, slow, medium and fast? ROFL! In NJ if you do 65 in the left lane you will get run over.


In Chicago, if you do 65 in *any* lane, you'll get run over... by a school bus!


No joke! I grew up in Chicago, earning my driving chops at 16yrs old cruising on the (Spe)Edens and Kennedy expressways. It was not uncommon to be traveling at 70mph trailing the car in front of you by 20ft with another one behind you, close enough to see the whites of the driver’s eyes in the rearview mirror – that’s just how do it there! However, I visited family again last year and was lucky to get over 35mph on any road (at any time of day) - the traffic was ridiculous! Best quote from my Uncle in Chi-town: “There are two seasons in Chicago; Winter and Road Construction Season”.
05/03/2011 01:02:06 PM · #24
I grew up in California and you could not even merge safely unless you reached 70MPH. Here in Seattle, 70 is highly conspicuous and the troopers will spot you from the donut shop.

By the way, on Earth Day I traded in my Military Hummer for this:
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...it was the environmentally responsible thing to do.
05/03/2011 01:31:09 PM · #25
The car behind him riding his bumper in an effort to pass.

Results as they pertain to CT from a legal perspective.

1) Not traveling a safe distance (14-240)
2) Intent to harass or intimidate (14-240a)
2) Highway maximum speed is 65. Passing would require a speed greater than the maximum. (14-218a, 14-219b3)

Now from a practical perspective.

How fast is the car behind intending to go? At speeds above 60 MPH the time savings per MPH is markedly reduced, meaning, it generally doesn't benefit the driver to go much faster.

For example, with a base speed of 65 MPH, you would need to travel 15.2 miles at 70 MPH to save 1 minute of time, 8.1 miles at 75 MPH, 5.8 miles at 80 MPH, and 4.6 miles at 85 MPH.

Now, assume you are already traveling at 5 over the speed limit. With a base speed of 70 MPH, you would need to travel 17.5 miles at 75 MPG to same 1 minute of time, and 6.6 miles at 85 MPH.

Now, those times require a constant speed and are thus an absolute minimum. If you need to slow down at any time because of traffic, the miles you would need to travel go up quite a bit.

Originally posted by macpapas:

Two rules: 1) Speed limit is 65mph on three lane highway. 2) Hwy signs asks that “Slower traffic stay to right lanes”

Who’s the jerk? The guy going 65 in the left hand lane or the car behind him riding his bumper in a effort to pass?

I’ll compile the results and reveal them later tonight. Discussion is of course welcome!
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