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12/22/2010 07:55:02 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by binarysmart:
Really people? You pick apart the rules so much that everyone suffers. |
I disagree with the "everyone" part. It's simply rewarding those who follow the rules and really tried their image to fit the contest, and the ones who don't, the opposite. Ok here's an example. Let's just erase the challenge name and details. Think of it like a free study and let people vote on the current images. Guess what, a landscape photo would end up in the top 5. Now after this let's put back the challenge name and details. Does it sound sane to you, a landscape shot to land in the top 5 in a challenge that says "capture the view looking inside from the outside"? |
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12/22/2010 08:12:51 AM · #27 |
I do not need this kind of negative input into my life. I'm never going to change the world or the perceptions of others,
But I can change my own actions, and limit my exposure to the full blown hate and horrible effects of the worlds nasty humans.
Even if I am such a bad photographer, why would I want to be told this? Would you have me quit my profession and kill myself?
I choose to continue being a photographer and instead reject the "community" of internet hate, including DPC.
Your hate only makes me feel like an artist anyway. I stopped wasting my time reading the horrors of your world in the "news" (the corporate diversion)
I just need to ween myself from this site next. Seems like the only thing human society gathers is hate, pain, horror and total greedy control.
See the thread about the greatest photos from the last decade, look at all of them and tell me this is a world based on togetherness and hope and joy. NOT.
I still have hope, and thats why I say anything at all. But I have little hope, so I expect the forces of greed and pain to win. The Earth will recover once we are gone.
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Views: 23
Avg Vote: 3.7059 |
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12/22/2010 08:26:18 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by fitz3000:
Originally posted by binarysmart:
Really people? You pick apart the rules so much that everyone suffers. |
I disagree with the "everyone" part. It's simply rewarding those who follow the rules and really tried their image to fit the contest, and the ones who don't, the opposite. Ok here's an example. Let's just erase the challenge name and details. Think of it like a free study and let people vote on the current images. Guess what, a landscape photo would end up in the top 5. Now after this let's put back the challenge name and details. Does it sound sane to you, a landscape shot to land in the top 5 in a challenge that says "capture the view looking inside from the outside"? |
I totally agree that if the challenge is "cats" and someone has a picture of a "tree" it's definitely a DNMC, and should be scored as such. But when people start dissecting every little point of the rules everyone does suffer...Just read the “Portrait from behind” thread.
In the past three years there has only been about 5 "8's"...only one this year and that just squeaked by with an 8.000 back in February.
Seriously, I love this site. The photography is just incredible. There are some extremely talented people entering challenges. Nothing I've ever done has improved my photography as much as this site has. Because of that, I put up with negative aspects. The positive aspects of this site outweigh the negative big time. Just drives me crazy sometimes when the challenges get picked apart as they do.
OK...I'm done with my soapbox :-)
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12/22/2010 08:33:14 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by jacksonstewart:
hello...photography is my hobby..i am very interested in taking adventures photos... |
hello to you to :D...lol |
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12/22/2010 09:01:32 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by amsterdamman:
I choose to continue being a photographer and instead reject the "community" of internet hate, including DPC.
Your hate only makes me feel like an artist anyway. I stopped wasting my time reading the horrors of your world in the "news" (the corporate diversion) |
I'm sorry that your 4 months on DPC has left you with this impression. It's not hate, it's opinions, and you know what opinions are like, everybody has one. Yes, it's harsh voting in the "ring". You won't get cheap praise here. Getting beat up by better photographers every week, and learning something from it, is a large part of what has improved my own photography over the last 3 years. Outside of the "ring", the community on this site is very friendly and will offer the help if you ask for it.
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12/22/2010 12:04:20 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by fitz3000:
Originally posted by binarysmart:
Really people? You pick apart the rules so much that everyone suffers. |
I disagree with the "everyone" part. It's simply rewarding those who follow the rules and really tried their image to fit the contest, and the ones who don't, the opposite. Ok here's an example. Let's just erase the challenge name and details. Think of it like a free study and let people vote on the current images. Guess what, a landscape photo would end up in the top 5. Now after this let's put back the challenge name and details. Does it sound sane to you, a landscape shot to land in the top 5 in a challenge that says "capture the view looking inside from the outside"? |
Really depends, I can see some landscapes that would present well for the topic, say a person looking into a volcano, or into a city from just outside town, or.... Many examples, again, this is not an outdoors looking indoors challenge.. Or a looking into an object challenge, or looking through an object challenge... The wording is "Outside looking in"... So anyone outside anything looking into anything will work for the description.. |
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12/22/2010 12:56:22 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by jacksonstewart:
hello...photography is my hobby..i am very interested in taking adventures photos... |
Welcome to DPC !
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12/22/2010 01:03:01 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by amsterdamman:
I do not need this kind of negative input into my life. I'm never going to change the world or the perceptions of others,
But I can change my own actions, and limit my exposure to the full blown hate and horrible effects of the worlds nasty humans.
Even if I am such a bad photographer, why would I want to be told this? Would you have me quit my profession and kill myself?
I choose to continue being a photographer and instead reject the "community" of internet hate, including DPC.
Your hate only makes me feel like an artist anyway. I stopped wasting my time reading the horrors of your world in the "news" (the corporate diversion)
I just need to ween myself from this site next. Seems like the only thing human society gathers is hate, pain, horror and total greedy control.
See the thread about the greatest photos from the last decade, look at all of them and tell me this is a world based on togetherness and hope and joy. NOT.
I still have hope, and thats why I say anything at all. But I have little hope, so I expect the forces of greed and pain to win. The Earth will recover once we are gone.
Votes: 17
Views: 23
Avg Vote: 3.7059 |
Well, there is THAT DPC, and then there is the rest of DPC. If the main challenges are all you have entered, then you are missing out on the best and MOST LOVING part of DPC, and that is the side challenges. I felt very much like you for a while and wondered what the point was. Then I discovered some side challenges and I've been in love ever since. Before you leave for good, check one of them out. Folks leave comments and everything! And if not, I hope you find the love you seek. |
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12/22/2010 01:47:50 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by amsterdamman:
I still have hope, and thats why I say anything at all. But I have little hope, so I expect the forces of greed and pain to win. The Earth will recover once we are gone.
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Avg Vote: 3.5833
At least you won't finish last! Wait a second, is this inside out or out in? |
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12/22/2010 02:01:10 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
At least you won't finish last! Wait a second, is this inside out or out in? |
Down-under mate
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12/22/2010 02:36:45 PM · #36 |
Two very nice comments but, looking at my score, they must be the only ones that liked it. :-(
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12/22/2010 02:59:36 PM · #37 |
Up to 5.75 from that miserable start last night.
Votes: 50
Views: 128
Avg Vote: 5.7800
Comments: 3
Message edited by author 2010-12-22 15:17:29.
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12/22/2010 03:10:43 PM · #38 |
Votes: 53
Views: 81
Avg Vote: 5.7925
Comments: 3
From being in the 4's at 15 votes this has got to be one of the best recoveries I've ever had. One of my comments is an in-depth explanation as to why they consider it to be DNMC. Even though I (and thankfully most voters) don’t agree I can see where they are coming from and I respect their right to have there own opinion. Why I mention this, however, is that I really appreciate them making the effort to explain why they scored my shot low(er) and would never get angry about it. Please, more comments, especially if it can help improve my photographic abilities or explain how my image affected you (positive or negative).
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12/22/2010 04:59:30 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by amsterdamman:
I do not need this kind of negative input into my life. I'm never going to change the world or the perceptions of others,
But I can change my own actions, and limit my exposure to the full blown hate and horrible effects of the worlds nasty humans.
Even if I am such a bad photographer, why would I want to be told this? Would you have me quit my profession and kill myself?
I choose to continue being a photographer and instead reject the "community" of internet hate, including DPC.
Your hate only makes me feel like an artist anyway. I stopped wasting my time reading the horrors of your world in the "news" (the corporate diversion)
I just need to ween myself from this site next. Seems like the only thing human society gathers is hate, pain, horror and total greedy control.
See the thread about the greatest photos from the last decade, look at all of them and tell me this is a world based on togetherness and hope and joy. NOT.
I still have hope, and thats why I say anything at all. But I have little hope, so I expect the forces of greed and pain to win. The Earth will recover once we are gone.
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Views: 23
Avg Vote: 3.7059 |
Votes of 3 or less should have mandatory comments/ meaningful, if the comment only contains a full stop etc the vote should be discounted. This will raise overall averages and thus motivate people who try different things but get slated by the trolls. Mandatory comments will allow the submitter to appreciate why the shot wasnt received well or what was technically wrong. I like many others are here to learn and hopefully get to a decent standard, but having read the above comments i can sympathise as i have had those moments of why did i bother, thankfully i decided to become a full member and adopted the attitude of "I like it so nothing else matters"
Why alienate members who are trying with poor scores yet no feedback, i have got out of the habbit of leaving comments partly because i wasn't receiving many when my own entries bombed.
Still having said all that the site is great but things could be improved in order to keep all levels and abilities happy. |
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12/22/2010 06:59:08 PM · #40 |
To be totally honest, many of the entries dnmc for the challenge, and most of the ones that did were boring, unoriginal, had very little thought put into them (taking pictures of your animals in your house for example, you're lying to yourself if you think that deserves a ribbon), were technically deficient, looked like snapshots, or some combination of the above.
Keep telling yourselves everyone giving a low score is a "troll". I don't know how many people getting low scores have taken a formal photography class, but if they did they would, in most cases, get the same feedback, if not more harsh, from an instructor.
Frankly, lots of people these days think they're a photographer. If an Ansel Adams photo is a 10, and an out of focus snapshot of a cat is a 1, let's be honest here, most 'work' posted by online photographers is closer to a 1 than a 10.
So to summarize my thoughts, if you're not happy with your scores, take better pictures and make it somewhat apparent that the photo meets the criteria.
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12/22/2010 07:44:14 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by corporation:
To be totally honest, many of the entries dnmc for the challenge, and most of the ones that did were boring, unoriginal, had very little thought put into them (taking pictures of your animals in your house for example, you're lying to yourself if you think that deserves a ribbon), were technically deficient, looked like snapshots, or some combination of the above.
Keep telling yourselves everyone giving a low score is a "troll". I don't know how many people getting low scores have taken a formal photography class, but if they did they would, in most cases, get the same feedback, if not more harsh, from an instructor.
Frankly, lots of people these days think they're a photographer. If an Ansel Adams photo is a 10, and an out of focus snapshot of a cat is a 1, let's be honest here, most 'work' posted by online photographers is closer to a 1 than a 10.
So to summarize my thoughts, if you're not happy with your scores, take better pictures and make it somewhat apparent that the photo meets the criteria. |
Don't be shy.....tell us how you really feel. :-D |
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12/22/2010 07:45:08 PM · #42 |
"Votes of 3 or less should have mandatory comments/ meaningful, if the comment only contains a full stop etc the vote should be discounted. This will raise overall averages and thus motivate people who try different things but get slated by the trolls. Mandatory comments will allow the submitter to appreciate why the shot wasnt received well or what was technically wrong. I like many others are here to learn and hopefully get to a decent standard, but having read the above comments i can sympathise as i have had those moments of why did i bother, thankfully i decided to become a full member and adopted the attitude of "I like it so nothing else matters"
Why alienate members who are trying with poor scores yet no feedback, i have got out of the habbit of leaving comments partly because i wasn't receiving many when my own entries bombed.
Still having said all that the site is great but things could be improved in order to keep all levels and abilities happy."
Jon_H That is such an excellent idea! |
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12/22/2010 09:38:06 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by corporation:
To be totally honest, many of the entries dnmc for the challenge, and most of the ones that did were boring, unoriginal, had very little thought put into them (taking pictures of your animals in your house for example, you're lying to yourself if you think that deserves a ribbon), were technically deficient, looked like snapshots, or some combination of the above.
Keep telling yourselves everyone giving a low score is a "troll". I don't know how many people getting low scores have taken a formal photography class, but if they did they would, in most cases, get the same feedback, if not more harsh, from an instructor.
Frankly, lots of people these days think they're a photographer. If an Ansel Adams photo is a 10, and an out of focus snapshot of a cat is a 1, let's be honest here, most 'work' posted by online photographers is closer to a 1 than a 10.
So to summarize my thoughts, if you're not happy with your scores, take better pictures and make it somewhat apparent that the photo meets the criteria. |
WOW....was that a post, speech or preaching from a higher than thou podium? LOL
Yes, there are loads of people wandering around with all of the glorious camera equipment who fancy themselves as "photographers" but, the question is...to what level?
Personally, I'm an amateur hobbiest who likes to take out a camera and take some shots and come into sites like this one, simply to have a reason to take some shots, have some fun and do something with those shots rather than store 'em on an external hard drive or burning them to disc that I'll rarely ever look at again.
Do I see myself as an Ansel Adams? NO! Do I take out of focus snapshots...yup...sometimes. I try not to enter those into challenges but, sometimes, I can't help myself. It's all purely fun for me. Sometimes, I just want to play around and get humorous comments. Sometimes, I've shoehorned or OOBIE'd on purpose.
And, I have complained about scores too. Most people in here have and if you hang in here....eventually, at some point or another, for one reason or another...you very likely could too! :)
You see, in here...after many, many discussion threads on what is considered "good photography" in here....there isn't such a creature! What's good photography to one, may not be to the next. It's all relative to each individual as is artwork...that was another 17 pager discussion one time. :) LOL
Chill out because you're going to see complaints no matter what. :) Get used to it. This is DPCland! LOL
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12/22/2010 09:46:55 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by corporation:
To be totally honest, many of the entries dnmc for the challenge, and most of the ones that did were boring, unoriginal, had very little thought put into them (taking pictures of your animals in your house for example, you're lying to yourself if you think that deserves a ribbon), were technically deficient, looked like snapshots, or some combination of the above.
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Have you left comments for the people who dnmc? It sounds like you have opinions and I'm sure they would be appreciated. |
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12/22/2010 10:14:43 PM · #45 |
Votes: 63
Views: 101
Avg Vote: 3.8254
Comments: 2
Favorites: 0
My photo doesn't meet the challenge and I'm happy with my score. So there! |
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12/22/2010 10:14:44 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Originally posted by corporation:
To be totally honest, many of the entries dnmc for the challenge, and most of the ones that did were boring, unoriginal, had very little thought put into them (taking pictures of your animals in your house for example, you're lying to yourself if you think that deserves a ribbon), were technically deficient, looked like snapshots, or some combination of the above.
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Have you left comments for the people who dnmc? It sounds like you have opinions and I'm sure they would be appreciated. |
Agreed, since I've got three comments, each praising the work and promising high scores - yet I'm still at a 4.5x.... You know I'd love to hear from some of the folks throwing around DNMC here like it's in style... |
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12/23/2010 02:02:13 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by corporation:
Frankly, lots of people these days think they're a photographer. If an Ansel Adams photo is a 10, and an out of focus snapshot of a cat is a 1, let's be honest here, most 'work' posted by online photographers is closer to a 1 than a 10. |
Funny
I read the very same thing said about Man Ray
lets see if you or Man Ray will be remembered in the photography world?
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12/23/2010 02:06:44 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by Oded:
lets see if you or Man Ray will be remembered in the photography world? |
Man Who? Emmanuel Radnitzky
Yeah, I think I might shorten my name to Le Dick just to be more avant-garde. ;)
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12/23/2010 08:38:09 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Man Who? Emmanuel Radnitzky
Yeah, I think I might shorten my name to Le Dick just to be more avant-garde. ;) |
avant-garde?
I thought U were going for the cabaret style. |
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12/24/2010 04:39:32 AM · #50 |
Ya'll need to keep the anger under control! Scores shouldn't be taken personally, especially if you are the "out of the box" type photographer. And if you have a problem with the way DPC works, then you are free to leave, or as mentioned above, do the side challenges.
It's like a child whining about a type of candy it got but won't throw it out because it's still candy.
By the way...
Votes: 101
Views: 308
Avg Vote: 6.3267
Comments: 8
Favorites: 1
yay
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