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11/16/2010 01:32:27 AM · #76 |
Well, respectfully, Jason, I will agree to disagree with you.
If my irrationality stifles you, then it is what it is... |
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11/16/2010 01:34:03 AM · #77 |
This wouldn't be a problem if everyone just shot UFOs.
Message edited by author 2010-11-16 01:34:34.
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11/16/2010 02:20:47 AM · #78 |
Originally posted by yanko:
This wouldn't be a problem if everyone just shot UFOs. |
So true, Richard, you are always right...;-)
Message edited by author 2010-11-16 08:01:39. |
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11/16/2010 05:23:36 AM · #79 |
Originally posted by hihosilver:
Originally posted by alohadave:
Much of this discussion (and it happens exactly the same way on every photo board I've been on) is people taking the argument to it's logical extremes on both sides. |
Frankly, this post makes me think my position isn't extreme enough. Why wouldn't a photographer be willing to endeavor to make the parent of a child a partner in the process?
An unwillingness to make crystal clear as to the purpose of the image and to disregard blatantly the parents of a child indicates a severe disrespect, arrogance and blatant selfishness on the part of the photographer. To wrap the "legal" aspect around the argument, doesn't strengthen the position under the more universal law of common sense and human decency.
What's so complicated about that?! |
Assume that I was taking a photo of an event (spontaneous) and your child happened to run into the background. What exactly would you have me do? Forgetting the legal aspects of the argument, would you not agree that common sense would dictate that I have the right to that image?
Just asking.
Ray |
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11/16/2010 06:30:50 AM · #80 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Assume that I was taking a photo of an event (spontaneous) and your child happened to run into the background. What exactly would you have me do? Forgetting the legal aspects of the argument, would you not agree that common sense would dictate that I have the right to that image?
Just asking.
Ray |
Seriously? you're asking people to use common sense in judgment?
Message edited by author 2010-11-16 06:31:08. |
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11/16/2010 06:39:23 AM · #81 |
| I think people are worried we'll use Photoshop to take their clothes off. |
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11/16/2010 07:19:26 AM · #82 |
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11/16/2010 08:40:49 AM · #83 |
i'm a parent and a photograph. i do lots of public event photography. i mainly get asked, "where are those photos going?" i always have an answer and a business card. i rarely get any grief, and when i do, i usually don't care because field deleting an image or two just saves me from having to look at them later.
if i'm on assignment, that's a different thing. i had an incident a few years ago where some deputies wanted to review photos i took at a football game because some parents were concerned that i had captured some inappropriate images of their cheerleader daughters. my newspaper took umbrage with that, given that i was on an editorial assignment on public property - the paper was NOT going to be censored by a local yokel.
as for my kids, we've raised them to understand what's appropriate and what's not. they know what to do if anything makes them feel uncomfortable. and if someone ever points a camera at them while they're doing something they like doing, i'll try to buy a print (especially if it's something i didn't photograph). as long as they don't wind up on a billboard or magazine without my permission, i'd be flattered that someone would want to take their photo.
as long as you're shooting with a purpose (and not the purpose of proving a point or starting a fight), you shouldn't have any problems; and, if you do, if you politely work your way up the chain of command, you can usually find someone who's on the same page as you in terms of what you can and can't do. |
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11/16/2010 10:05:28 AM · #84 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
You are allowed to take a picture of the Eiffel Tower at night, but you are not allowed to use it commercially (e.g. on a greeting card or posting as a stock photo); there is a whole list of buildings which are copyrighted, and cannot be used commercially without a license. |
It is not only buildings: the Lone Cypress between Monterey and Big Sur is copyrighted by the Pebble Beach Association: no photos, paintings,drawings or other depictions of the tree can be offered for sale without the express written permission of the Pebble Beach Association. There are signs posted everywhere that you may not take pictures of it for commercial use.
Absurd but true.
Back to the original intent of the post:
The only issue I have with all of these POVs is that the are so general. Each situation needs to be decided on a case by case basis. In my particular situation, deleting the image was the easiest and most logical solution. As I mentioned, under other circumstances, I would have told them to talk to the building owners.
Mae, manners is ALWAYS my preferred first approach, but again, not always prudent or feasible. Et al the "nobody-tells-me-what-to-take-pictures-of" stance, again, it depends on what you shot/shoot and indeed, how you intend to use it.
As for people who go to public events and freak out that you took a picture with them somewhere in it, get a life. They don't seem to have a problem showing up on the Jumbotron.... |
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11/16/2010 12:01:32 PM · #85 |
This was candid. I certainly didn’t ask permission to take it. The parental figure just didn’t look like someone who wanted to be a “partner in the process.” I see a lot of child abuse in the street, to varying degrees, and I don’t think twice about photographing it. The majority of these photos I’m sitting on for the time being, but I probably have enough by now for a short photoessay on the subject.
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11/16/2010 01:24:16 PM · #86 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
You are allowed to take a picture of the Eiffel Tower at night, but you are not allowed to use it commercially (e.g. on a greeting card or posting as a stock photo); there is a whole list of buildings which are copyrighted, and cannot be used commercially without a license. |
It is not only buildings: the Lone Cypress between Monterey and Big Sur is copyrighted by the Pebble Beach Association: no photos, paintings,drawings or other depictions of the tree can be offered for sale without the express written permission of the Pebble Beach Association. There are signs posted everywhere that you may not take pictures of it for commercial use.
Absurd but true. |
I almost mentioned that there were other objects besides buildings on the list ...
The Lone Cypress and virtually all vantages of it are located on private property besides being copyrighted (or perhaps it's trademarked -- a related but different form of legal protection).
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11/16/2010 05:01:23 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Assume that I was taking a photo of an event (spontaneous) and your child happened to run into the background. What exactly would you have me do? Forgetting the legal aspects of the argument, would you not agree that common sense would dictate that I have the right to that image?
Just asking.
Ray |
Seriously? you're asking people to use common sense in judgment? |
Yeah,,,guess you are right on that one. I guess it is true "Common sense ain't so common after all"
Ray |
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