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10/05/2010 01:20:58 PM · #1 |
I was just wondering what the normal ratio of 'useful comments' might be expected to be? I just joined the club, have done 8 critiques so far in the last few days, and only four have been marked as useful - although three of them did send very nice PMs too.
50% appreciate the effort - is this about right? One of the non-box tickers was a ribbon winner, so was the critique redundant? Hmmm.
I think I will keep going for now, but I think I might prefer to critique the lower scoring shots since they are probably more interested in outside opinions. Obviously this is not currently an option! ;o)
Just rambling now, so I'll sto... |
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10/05/2010 01:45:28 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by FrankRobinson:
I was just wondering what the normal ratio of 'useful comments' might be expected to be? I just joined the club, have done 8 critiques so far in the last few days, and only four have been marked as useful - although three of them did send very nice PMs too.
50% appreciate the effort - is this about right? One of the non-box tickers was a ribbon winner, so was the critique redundant? |
I think this is one reason why people stop giving critique club comments. If you spend some time doing a critique to not even have the box ticked as helpful, then it is demoralising and you wonder why you bother. I think what you say here is pretty much how many of us have found things. I haven't done a critique club comment in a while. Nice to see somebody has started doing some again. |
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10/05/2010 01:52:51 PM · #3 |
| I don't understand the purpose of the "useful comment" checkbox. I'm sure it's been debated to death, but clearly it isn't a good indicator of whether you're providing valuable feedback or not. |
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10/05/2010 01:56:07 PM · #4 |
I mark every comment as helpful, since they almost always are, and I assume if I don't find it useful, that's just because I'm failing to see the benefit/usefulness of the comment.
Then again, it would be nice if people really only marked helpful comments helpful, but since it seems the box is more of a "I have read your comment and appreciate it" than a real indicator of usefulness, I just mark them all.. |
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10/05/2010 02:18:01 PM · #5 |
I say keep doing the critiques and do not worry about if it gets marked helpful, I have found doing critique type comments helps me evaluate my own work.
Personally I like getting feedback on what people truly think about my photos, even if you do not always agree with what they say it lets you know how others perceive the photo which is always helpful. Then there is the other crowd that likes to have their tummy's rubbed with the you are awesome and your photo is perfect stick......... |
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10/05/2010 02:51:40 PM · #6 |
It is also possible that some people don't know about the box. I was here for several months before I noticed it!! Ok, maybe I'm more clueless than most... but I do mark most as helpful, when they are, or even if they're just supportive. But I do not check the box for comments consisting of one character, like ?, or a number, or ... etc. Simply not enough there to be helpful in any way, and showing a lack of interest other than in making the 100% comments club.
Edit to add that since I've been a member I've marked about 5 of my images for critiquing and never received a single one :-(
Message edited by author 2010-10-05 14:52:19. |
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10/05/2010 03:30:47 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Edit to add that since I've been a member I've marked about 5 of my images for critiquing and never received a single one :-( |
Johanna, it seems during the summer months those of us who volunteer in the critique club have been taking a break I think there have been very few critiques done recently until this last week or so (I know the last one I did was in June). It goes in fits and starts. Sometimes there is a lot of activity, other times not so much. The images for critique drop off the queue as soon as the challenge is archived from the front page, so it can be that if people don't get to them quickly, they have disappeared from the queue. FYI, the critiquers do not get to pick which image is critiqued, they are allocated the next image in the queue. Don't stop marking the box, one day somebody will get to one of your images, I'm sure of that.
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10/05/2010 03:44:11 PM · #8 |
Cory, it's funny, I have only two comments that are not marked helpful, and it's because it was my first challenge and I wrote them myself post challenge in response to comments as though it were like a thread. Impossible to mark helpful, or even delete them now.
Just how good/what do you have to prove to be in the club? I'd be interested when I'm back next month. |
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10/05/2010 03:49:13 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
Just how good/what do you have to prove to be in the club? |
Send a message via the contact us page and one of the SC will deal with it (usually Manic)
Critique Club contact info
More info to be found here.
What is the Critique Club?
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10/05/2010 03:55:30 PM · #10 |
 Helpful comment.
Useless comment.
Rude and uncalled for.
Snide remark.
Hurt my feelings.
Made me cry.
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10/05/2010 04:00:58 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Edit to add that since I've been a member I've marked about 5 of my images for critiquing and never received a single one :-( |
Similar results, I used to ask every once in a while right after I joined but never was lucky enough to receive even one critique so I quit asking, not complaining so much about the critique club but since it does not always happen it does make it even nicer to get a comment where someone put real thought into it so do not get discouraged and keep them coming! |
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10/05/2010 04:02:15 PM · #12 |
Hurt my feelings would get used by me a lot, pretty hard to get me to cry but it has happened.... |
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10/05/2010 04:31:55 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by PapaBob:
I say keep doing the critiques and do not worry about if it gets marked helpful, I have found doing critique type comments helps me evaluate my own work. |
This is a very important point. You will learn more about what "works" by analyzing and commenting on photos much more than from someone else's comments about your photos, and this is usually easier to do on others' pictures than your own. Writing the critique will be "helpful" to you, regardless of whether the other photographer even reads it. |
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10/05/2010 05:18:05 PM · #14 |
In my brief time here, I have always appreciated everyone that spends time to comment on my photos, good or bad. I therefore mark every comment as helpful. During that period there was only 1 comment that at the time I found mildly abusive and never marked it as helpful. After about a year I relented and marked it as helpful, as my interpretation may not have been how it was intended.
In a 100 image challenge, I will be lucky if I comment on 10 images. I therefore know how many images slip through the net, comment free. I generally only comment on the best and the worst. If you score a 4-8 you probably won't get a comment from me.
Funnily enough, my country life entry ran until today without comment. I was actually quite aggreived that it was my first challenge entry not to receive a single comment. Then about an hour ago I got my first comment, so I still have 100% record of at least 1 comment on each. I was so pleased... even though the comment was 2 characters long!
I also have to give special mention to  tanguera as she has commented on almost every single one of my recent challenge entries. I'm not sure if she is going for 100% comments each challenge or whether I am just lucky :-)
I remember the heady days of the 1000th challenge and the efforts of some to comment on all of the entries in that one. A massive task. I wish commenting was a more integral part of the challenges... it feels to me like a bolt-on.
I have never actually asked for a critique from the club, as I feel my photo's aren't worthy of a critical appraisal, and yet my buddy asks for a critique on every entry he submits - he sees it as a good way to learn.
I would also be willing to be part of the club and give detailed feedback - but I feel that I am such a novice that "how dare I" comment on other's work when my own isn't exactly Pulitzer prize winning material! Still, I do feel I can "review" a work based on how it appeals to me, even if I don't yet have the skills to actually create a work of the same standard. |
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10/05/2010 05:26:05 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by lawrysimm:
I was so pleased... even though the comment was 2 characters long! |
Yeah, well, "10" is a nice comment, I guess. ; ) |
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10/05/2010 05:26:55 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by lawrysimm:
Still, I do feel I can "review" a work based on how it appeals to me, even if I don't yet have the skills to actually create a work of the same standard. |
You can do it -- the only difference between a "comment" and a "critique" is that the comment says "I like/don't like this ..." and the critique says "I like/don't like this because ..." -- you don't have to say how to "fix" it, just articulate what factors into your opinion. Remember it is an opinion, and you are as entitled to yours as anyone. |
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10/05/2010 05:29:52 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by lawrysimm:
I would also be willing to be part of the club and give detailed feedback - but I feel that I am such a novice that "how dare I" comment on other's work when my own isn't exactly Pulitzer prize winning material! Still, I do feel I can "review" a work based on how it appeals to me, even if I don't yet have the skills to actually create a work of the same standard. |
I feel the same way, the "how dare I" but at the same time I think I leave some pretty useful comments. So much so that a while back I had a couple member mention to be that I should join the CC. So today I bit the bullet and requested to join.
Just remember....some of the best coaches can't play and some of the best players can't coach ;-) |
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10/05/2010 05:44:30 PM · #18 |
@ Sarah - the requests go back over a couple of years :-) I figured the Club is overwhelmed, and it's more of a crap shoot as to whether they get to one's image before falling off the shelf. I'm in the same place as  PapaBob.
@ Slipmeister - you missed one: "Did you actually LOOK at the picture??!!!".
@ Lawry - you're just lucky :-)
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10/05/2010 06:15:09 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
Originally posted by lawrysimm:
I was so pleased... even though the comment was 2 characters long! |
Yeah, well, "10" is a nice comment, I guess. ; ) |
Heh, if only! Let's say there were no alpha-numeric chars in it.
@tanguera now I feel special! :-)
@generalE you have inspired me somewhat! |
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10/05/2010 10:17:22 PM · #20 |
| As far as comments not being marked helpful, yeah, it happens. I get by that by how appreciative everybody else seems to be though. I often get PM's from people, and those totally make it a great experience. |
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10/05/2010 11:08:28 PM · #21 |
I've just joined the club. I'm no master by far. I've done 2 now, one was a top 10 finish the other bottom 20%. On the top ten image there really wasn't anything to critique so I just a gave personal opinion on what the image did for me. The other one I gave a more technical critique along with my personal opinion. As far as helpful box marked, I really didn't take that into consideration. When photographers check the box for critique I believe there looking for more than the "Nice Shot" or "?" comment. There will always be a difference in opinions if the comment helped or not. I've been here a long time and I wanted to give back in some way. But to be honest, I'm doing this for myself too. My vote is my comment in a challenge. If I took 20 minutes on every shot in a challenge to study and give a detail comment then I probably won't get more then 20% of the voting done. I believe every image good or bad should at least get a vote. The critique may not be helpful to you, but by studying the image to make a detail comment is really going to benefit me. I hope it helps the photographer too. (I'm so self centered....Lol).
Message edited by author 2010-10-05 23:09:43. |
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