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08/21/2010 11:19:41 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by photodude:
Originally posted by mycelium:
My thing with 1x is that yes, the work is good, often great or amazing--so the quality speaks for itself, which makes the overwhelming pretentiousness of the site all the more intolerable. (I keep trying to get over that, but I'm not doing a very good job. & PS, this is hardly to denigrate any contributors to the site or undermine the accomplishment of publication there. The photographers are great; the site designers are, IMMHBPNSHO, thoroughly obnoxious.) |
Why do you say the site is pretentious or the designers obnoxious? |
Just the tag line alone, speaks volumes. "The Best Photos on the Web."
Hahaha. Whatever. |
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08/21/2010 11:36:32 AM · #27 |
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08/21/2010 11:59:24 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Well, they are. |
Relative. And hardly. |
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08/21/2010 12:02:25 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by Louis:
Well, they are. |
Relative. And hardly. |
What other (essentially gallery only) sites - open to public - anyone is welcome to participate (for free even), display higher quality photographic images? |
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08/21/2010 12:17:49 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by photodude:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by Louis:
Well, they are. |
Relative. And hardly. |
What other (essentially gallery only) sites - open to public - anyone is welcome to participate (for free even), display higher quality photographic images? |
That's not the issue (or point). The point is that the WORDING is pretentious and obnoxious. It's not "The Best Open Gallery Site on the Web" is it? It's, "The Best Photos on the Web", and that's just disingenuous at best. Silly, and retarded.
I'm not going to argue it, and it's my last word on the subject, but it's just a small symptom of why people tend to roll their eyes and look at the creators and moderators on that site and say what they say. The tag-line isn't the only reason, but it's a compelling one, and goes to show how deeply high-and-mighty that site takes itself.
What's more sad is how so many people allow themselves to buy into the psychology.
Message edited by author 2010-08-21 12:18:29. |
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08/21/2010 12:55:23 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
..............That's not the issue (or point). The point is that the WORDING is pretentious and obnoxious. It's not "The Best Open Gallery Site on the Web" is it? It's, "The Best Photos on the Web", and that's just disingenuous at best. Silly, and retarded.
I'm not going to argue it, and it's my last word on the subject, but it's just a small symptom of why people tend to roll their eyes and look at the creators and moderators on that site and say what they say. The tag-line isn't the only reason, but it's a compelling one, and goes to show how deeply high-and-mighty that site takes itself.
What's more sad is how so many people allow themselves to buy into the psychology. |
We should assume you've never lowered yourself to submitting a picture, right? |
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08/21/2010 12:56:09 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by photodude:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by Louis:
Well, they are. |
Relative. And hardly. |
What other (essentially gallery only) sites - open to public - anyone is welcome to participate (for free even), display higher quality photographic images? |
That's not the issue (or point). The point is that the WORDING is pretentious and obnoxious. It's not "The Best Open Gallery Site on the Web" is it? It's, "The Best Photos on the Web", and that's just disingenuous at best. Silly, and retarded. |
As  Louis points out that the site does, indeed, have the best photos on the web, and as you don't argue with that, then it isn't disingenuous and you've done nothing to establish your other pejoratives. In the context included above it is, in fact, the point. You seem to be making another point, but not very well. |
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08/21/2010 01:31:54 PM · #33 |
Not being a person who has had much to do with 1X, I do not see their claim as likely to be literally true. There is no better photo anyplace else on the web? The web is a pretty big place, and who gets to judge? However that being said, how many burger joints proclaim themselves to have the "World's best burger"?
I see it as advertising strategy, just like any other business. No harm, no foul, just a site trying to make it's way in the world. |
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08/21/2010 01:42:55 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by ambaker:
Not being a person who has had much to do with 1X, I do not see their claim as likely to be literally true. There is no better photo anyplace else on the web? The web is a pretty big place, and who gets to judge? ............. |
There probably are many 'better photos' scattered in the web, and, as you stated, it depends on who is making the judging. However, as a collection of photos, I have never seen a site with a higher quality average, at least for my own taste. |
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08/21/2010 02:13:03 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by photodude:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by Louis:
Well, they are. |
Relative. And hardly. |
What other (essentially gallery only) sites - open to public - anyone is welcome to participate (for free even), display higher quality photographic images? |
That's not the issue (or point). |
Haha on your immediate turnabout.
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
The point is that the WORDING is pretentious and obnoxious...Silly, and retarded....What's more sad is how so many people allow themselves to buy into the psychology. |
...though less surprising are the abundance of sour grapes on sites that talk about 1x. |
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08/21/2010 04:08:16 PM · #36 |
DPC is quite amateurish in photo quality compared to a lot of other sites out there. Currently I enjoy hanging around on Russian sites a lot - together with a lot of other West-Europeans (I suck, so no uploading from me, jus enjoying what others put up there). Yes, the people on other sites are not so much community driven and yes they are very harsh and prententious, but the work you find there is amazing. So good that if they join DPC challenges half the site would run away crying, because they would never be able to get at that level (demotivatingly good).
But actually DPC is quite nice for the majority out there. You have a big chance to get some (good)feedback on lower quality work here. And you can learn a lot. On those other sites the chance of constructive feedback on basic level photos is close to 0. But DPC just is not the place to find the best work on the net. Far from that.
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08/21/2010 04:14:59 PM · #37 |
| What are the other sites that you mentioned? I am quite curious. |
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08/21/2010 04:24:37 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
DPC is quite amateurish in photo quality compared to a lot of other sites out there... |
Here is my challenge to your comment here... Have ANY of those wonderful photographers join to DPC and have them take a photo for a contest in a week with a surprise subject. NONE or 99.99% of them will NOT be producing the same quality photos you see in 1x garbage collection.
DPC is not 1x... DPC is much better than 1x or any other websites out there. Most challenge websites give you 6 months to a year to post a subject, and have you pay $35 per photo.
This is NOT an amateurish website (as you mentioned). 1x website code is different than DPC, presentation is different than DPC but photographers here have much better experiences if you ask me. If you give time and tools, I can create better photos myself, anyone can, but in DPC, there is limited time to achieve good photos with limited amount of tools. |
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08/21/2010 04:47:46 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Originally posted by Azrifel:
DPC is quite amateurish in photo quality compared to a lot of other sites out there... |
Here is my challenge to your comment here... Have ANY of those wonderful photographers join to DPC and have them take a photo for a contest in a week with a surprise subject. NONE or 99.99% of them will NOT be producing the same quality photos you see in 1x garbage collection.
DPC is not 1x... DPC is much better than 1x or any other websites out there. Most challenge websites give you 6 months to a year to post a subject, and have you pay $35 per photo.
This is NOT an amateurish website (as you mentioned). 1x website code is different than DPC, presentation is different than DPC but photographers here have much better experiences if you ask me. If you give time and tools, I can create better photos myself, anyone can, but in DPC, there is limited time to achieve good photos with limited amount of tools. |
What he said. Also on sites like 1x you only see the images that get published unless you participate in the screening process. At DPC you see the best to the worst in every challenge. Even non-members can see all the entries in challenges. Different ballgame.
I do like 1x, I have a few images published over there. IMO getting published on 1x is the moral equivalent to winning a ribbon on DPC.
If you only ever saw the ribbon winners on DPC would you still stick to that "amateurish" description? |
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08/21/2010 05:58:55 PM · #40 |
First off the guys who own, run and code DPC (Ralf and Jacob) are amazingly great people. Just like the people here who run DPC. They give tons of their time for little payoff. Most here don't know them so don't really have the incite to call them anything. You might think the SITE it pretentious and of course that's your opinion but ad-hominem attacks on them personally are uncalled for. They bust their butts daily on that site. They deserve better.
Second, comparing these two sites is ludicrous. Not because they're different just because it is. Both have great photographers and whether I view images here or there I'm usually smiling because I'm seeing great pictures.
Third, the tag line of the site: Pretentious? To some. Disingenuous? Not to the owners. They firmly believe it and it's what they strive for all the time.
Anyone who thinks DPC is amaturish, well, I wish I could be as amateurish as some of the stuff I see here!!! Not all of it is great but that's the same everywhere. Want proof... go look at my pbase page!!!!
I don't say this to be a troll or any of that shit, I've been on both of these sites for a while. I just don't think Ralf or Jacob deserve 1/10th of the crap they eat on the net. They really are great people.
Dave
Oh and as to this comment... "Here is my challenge to your comment here... Have ANY of those wonderful photographers join to DPC and have them take a photo for a contest in a week with a surprise subject. NONE or 99.99% of them will NOT be producing the same quality photos you see in 1x garbage collection. "
I have... I know Ursula has. Brin also. In fact lots that post on 1X have here at DPC. We can actually shoot a good picture every once in a while in a week. :D
Message edited by author 2010-08-21 18:10:47. |
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08/21/2010 07:05:27 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by Davenit:
First off the guys who own, run and code DPC (Ralf and Jacob) are amazingly great people. Just like the people here who run DPC. They give tons of their time for little payoff. Most here don't know them so don't really have the incite to call them anything. You might think the SITE it pretentious and of course that's your opinion but ad-hominem attacks on them personally are uncalled for. They bust their butts daily on that site. They deserve better.
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This is the best post on the subject so far, completely agree with what you say.
I like 1x, I think it's a great site, I visit on a daily basis just to admire the photos and look for inspiration (i.e. find something to copy, which I just happen to have tried with one of yours in the past ;) ).
I think a lot of the criticism here of 1x stems from jealousy or resentment that people can't get stuff published over there, though obviously they will never admit that and I'll likely get flamed for even thinking about it.
On the flip side, I have tried to browse the forums there and just never really felt like getting involved, not sure why, but I like the community far better at DPC.
For me, both sites have their place and purpose, and the only thing they really have in common is that they are photo related.
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08/21/2010 07:45:44 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by Davenit:
Oh and as to this comment... "Here is my challenge to your comment here... Have ANY of those wonderful photographers join to DPC and have them take a photo for a contest in a week with a surprise subject. NONE or 99.99% of them will NOT be producing the same quality photos you see in 1x garbage collection. "
I have... I know Ursula has. Brin also. In fact lots that post on 1X have here at DPC. We can actually shoot a good picture every once in a while in a week. :D |
And yanko, and Melethia, and pawdrix, and me, and many many more. It's just a mind-boggling suggestion that the stuff pumped out of the challenge machine here at DPC is "better" than the gorgeous photo art at 1x. Laughable. Sour grapes. |
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08/21/2010 08:01:22 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by Davenit:
Second, comparing these two sites is ludicrous. Not because they're different just because it is. Both have great photographers and whether I view images here or there I'm usually smiling because I'm seeing great pictures.
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Best comment on the subject. |
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08/21/2010 09:05:17 PM · #44 |
I have a question about 1x.....
When I first saw the site, like most people I went ooh & ahhh and thought I'm not good enough for that. A while later with a bit more confidence and not very high hopes I had my first submission rejected, however my second one was accepted. Filled with pride I started to read about the various PAID memberships and was surprised to read that if you pay enough money your submissions are automatically accepted.
Haven't gone back since, but I hope I read it incorrectly because I really like the sight and would like to submit again. Can someone please tell me if indeed this is the case? |
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08/21/2010 09:48:10 PM · #45 |
| Though I find this discussion to be like comparing apples and oranges, there is one other aspect to the DPC submissions which make them different from 1x, and that is processing rules. Most 1x shots are highly polished and processed (exceedingly well), and the site does not appear to have any limits on editing. But most would not qualify under DPC editing modes, especially under basic rules. On the other hand, given unconstrained editing, many DPC challenge entries would compare quite favorably with those on 1x. |
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08/21/2010 09:59:46 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Though I find this discussion to be like comparing apples and oranges, there is one other aspect to the DPC submissions which make them different from 1x, and that is processing rules. Most 1x shots are highly polished and processed (exceedingly well), and the site does not appear to have any limits on editing. But most would not qualify under DPC editing modes, especially under basic rules. On the other hand, given unconstrained editing, many DPC challenge entries would compare quite favorably with those on 1x. |
Another BIG difference is that there are no time restrictions or "theme" restrictions at 1x. Here, we have one week, generally, to get the concept, create the shoot, edit and submit. Not so there.
I'm not a huge 1x fan, but I do recognize there is some really good work over there.
Like tanguera said, comparing the two is very much akin to comparing apples to oranges -- each site has a difference scope and purpose, and each has a (imo) valid position/niche on the Internet. Neither one needs (or should have) to become like the other to be 'acceptable.' |
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08/21/2010 10:16:16 PM · #47 |
This thread started as a "Joke" and I take it that way. And it was asked if  Langdon would make any cosmetic changes to the site. I think there are some people would like to see more sophisticated(!) looking website such as 1x(!!!)
1x is working very slow for me, I don't like their code. I don't like their color selection and the first page. I can't even read some of the letters in some of the pages, that bad they are.
So, DPC, is just fine. Maybe Langdon should do "random" or "custom" coloring option, so people can adjust their own fav colors. For the first page, I think DPC is the best. This is a weekly contest website, not a regular "flickr" kind of website. So, I only would suggest that 4th and 5th places also at least mentioned at the first page.
There are no "conversational" posts on other "CHALLENGE" websites that I know of. DPC is a highly interactive website, not only photos but also personal-communication wise. I think the first 50 photos of FS challenges each month are superior photos (with editing limitations)
So, 1x? I really don't care, first impression is horrible, other than photos... but make sure those highly edited photos won't fool you. Website is terrible for my taste and slow (don't give me bullshit about my internet connection or computer speed, they are all fine everywhere else)
Originally posted by karmat:
... Another BIG difference is that there are no time restrictions or "theme" restrictions at 1x.... |
...as I was also saying, this is very true.
Message edited by author 2010-08-21 22:18:36. |
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08/22/2010 12:03:22 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by MichaelC:
Filled with pride I started to read about the various PAID memberships and was surprised to read that if you pay enough money your submissions are automatically accepted. |
You didn't read that at 1x. You can pay to have a gallery at 1x to which you can post anything, but you still have to submit your images for judgement to be posted on the front page like everyone else. My paid 1x gallery. |
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08/22/2010 02:54:28 AM · #49 |
1x is the like the snooty bitch at work...thinks she is better than everyone else, but is nothing but white trash at heart. Just my opinion from what I see and hear.
And even though DPC is sort of one-sided in what type of photos the majority likes, it has been around a long time and is well known, and it's like a small neighborhood where people have their little spats and know most of the people that live there know many people one way or another, although I do not agree with the silly convenient rule bends and the favoritism that goes on here. It's like being at work, but without actually seeing anyone.
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08/22/2010 02:55:57 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by MichaelC:
Filled with pride I started to read about the various PAID memberships and was surprised to read that if you pay enough money your submissions are automatically accepted. |
You didn't read that at 1x. You can pay to have a gallery at 1x to which you can post anything, but you still have to submit your images for judgement to be posted on the front page like everyone else. My paid 1x gallery. |
Thanks ...thought I got it wrong. I'll submit a few more now. |
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