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10/13/2009 05:18:22 PM · #1 |
| Personally, I prefer this product... |
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10/05/2009 05:44:40 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by Mick:
I think you're always justified in shooting an intruder if he's trying to steal your camera gear. ;-) |
If he was holding your camera gear you would have nothing to shoot with. |
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10/04/2009 01:15:32 PM · #3 |
I think you're always justified in shooting an intruder if he's trying to steal your camera gear. ;-)
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10/04/2009 12:59:22 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by CEJ:
If the intruder threatens you with bodily harm through actions and you defend yourself, excessive is usually not a consideration unless you mutilate or go bat shit on them as opposed to just shooting them in the leg or face or something. However, if you come home and the burglar is sitting on your couch eating ice cream or asleep in your bed, shooting him would probably be considered excessive force. (and all three of those instances were recently in the news) |
Good point, but what if that guy eating ice-cream had a gun? It doesn't make sense that i'd have to assess the intruders threat level at the expense of my family's safety. On the other hand a good friend of mine, who was lets just say slightly intoxicated at the time, happened to walk into the wrong house, took off his shoes, sat on the couch for a while before he realized he was in the wrong house. The owner came storming down the stairs and yelling at him. My friend ran, he was freaked out, being intoxicated didn't help his decision making process, either. Would it have been justified for the owner to shoot him down and ask questions later? Definitely not.
The advocate of the devil strikes again! |
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10/01/2009 03:56:13 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by AJSullivan:
Did you seriously think he wasn't joking? Honestly? |
Not with capital letter emphasis and an exclamation mark. However, I do want to give the benefit of the doubt, something I am often not afforded here. |
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10/01/2009 03:43:57 PM · #6 |
| Did you seriously think he wasn't joking? Honestly? |
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10/01/2009 03:41:34 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Here in Pennsylvania, if you shoot 'em on your property, drag 'em INSIDE the house! |
I hope this was an attempt at humor. If not, it is one of the worst examples of advice I have ever read. It promotes tampering with evidence, which with todays forensics is easily proven. Not a good position for one who is describing why they used deadly force.
The op's original question is very complicated and a very long answer would be required. From what I have read in some of these posts (with a couple notable exceptions), the responders don't know what they are talking about.
If anyone truly wishes to understand what the laws are in your particular state, then do some legwork at the county courthouse law library. Your local prosecutors office would be another possible source of at least their understanding of the law (not necessarily the correct interpretation - but at least their understanding of it). The State Attorney Generals office is another more accurate source as is the State Police.
For those looking for a general overview of this topic, then I highly recommend Massad Ayoob's book "In the Gravest Extreme". Even attorneys gleen a few tibbits from it.
Self defense incorporates prevention, awareness, action and dealing with the aftermath of a violent encounter. It is not a simple answer. Shooting and killing a 13 year old home invader, will have many consequences; in the media, the courts, and in your families life. Dragging them inside will not help matters at all.
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09/30/2009 11:36:20 PM · #8 |
Here in Colorado it's more often referred to as the "Make my day law," referencing the quote from Clint Eastwood. Interestingly, one of my friends actually shot a burglar with a shotgun, and was not charged with anything.
If I remember correctly, Colorado was one of the first places to adopt such a policy. |
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09/26/2009 05:10:38 PM · #9 |
| At least one site I looked at was per capita and ranked Florida 8th. Of course I didn't keep track of any of 'em, so I'll have to look again. |
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09/26/2009 05:07:52 PM · #10 |
Those statistics also depend on population. Of course places like Wyoming is not going to have as many crimes than Florida or new york. We need something based on population.
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09/26/2009 04:56:45 PM · #11 |
| Yeah, the other sites I looked at had Florida in various rankings in the top 10. That one was just the prettiest :) |
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09/26/2009 03:27:49 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Really? |
Crime statistics are notoriously inaccurate. What the site you're showing actually indicates is the states with the best reporting methods. I very seriously doubt that New York and New Jersey have less incidents of burglary than North Carolina. |
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09/26/2009 01:37:38 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by MelonMusketeer:
Florida is a shoot now, ask questions later state. : ) It does work to help keep crime down.
In places where the burglars know that the law would have the law abiding citizens disarmed, his jobs are much easier and safer.
If they don't know if his victims will be armed and allowed to use force, then they are hesitant about breaking into places and homes.
Armed citizens are citizens. Disarmed citizens are subjects. History has shown this over and over.
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Really?
Message edited by author 2009-09-26 01:38:03. |
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09/26/2009 12:40:01 AM · #14 |
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09/25/2009 11:54:53 PM · #15 |
LMAO all gun laws are is job security for criminals
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09/25/2009 11:52:32 PM · #16 |
In Louisiana it is now legal to shoot and kill someone that is breaking into your house. They no longer have to be in your house for you to shoot them. Also your car is an extention of your home...so carjackers beware...I carry a 45 in my truck just for this reason. No permit needed
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09/25/2009 11:47:05 PM · #17 |
Here in Pennsylvania, if you shoot 'em on your property, drag 'em INSIDE the house!
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09/25/2009 09:54:55 PM · #18 |
edited to edit the edit that I had already edited
Message edited by author 2009-09-26 12:27:39. |
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09/25/2009 09:36:06 PM · #19 |
Out here in the west, errr the real west, excluding those pacific costal states. The general consensus is make sure the creep is inside your house, then shoot to kill not injure (dead men can’t sue) . Although I can’t find them right now, NRA had hundreds of articles of court related cases that proved it.
Edit..Oops
Message edited by author 2009-09-25 22:02:11. |
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09/25/2009 09:28:51 PM · #20 |
| In New Hampshire you can use deadly force on your property or your automobile (even if the vehicle is not on your property). Then of course our state motto is, "Live free or die." We take that pretty seriously up here. |
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09/25/2009 09:10:36 PM · #21 |
Florida is a shoot now, ask questions later state. : ) It does work to help keep crime down.
In places where the burglars know that the law would have the law abiding citizens disarmed, his jobs are much easier and safer.
If they don't know if his victims will be armed and allowed to use force, then they are hesitant about breaking into places and homes.
Armed citizens are citizens. Disarmed citizens are subjects. History has shown this over and over.
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09/25/2009 08:47:38 PM · #22 |
Here in GA and AL if someone steps on to your property and you feel that your life is in danger you have every right to shoot to kill.
We have a firm here that calls the rock station every Thursday at 4pm that allows people to call in and ask questions. One of them was this question in general. You are legally allowed to kill someone ONLY in the event you feel like you or your family is in danger. |
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09/25/2009 08:40:44 PM · #23 |
Darn, that was a good one. How'd you find that one ART?
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09/25/2009 08:38:29 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by JH:
In the US, if you find an intruder in your home, are you allowed to kill them? - Or is there some law around using reasonable force? |
As others indicated it depends on the state and the situation. Defending one's life is almost always ok but it must be an immediate threat. In Texas you can use deadly force to defend your property. In NC where I live there is a requirement that you must attempt to retreat if threatened in your own house. Most DA's will ignore this requirement if it's a valid case of self-defense. I will attempt to retreat if someone breaks into my house at night but I hope they don't mind if I shoot in their direction as I retreat. LOL
The most important thing to keep in mind is not to confuse a family member, or co-inhabitant with someone breaking in. Tragedy will follow. I have a baseball bat that is under my bed. Many times I've grabbed it instead of a gun. Once released a bullet will do it's work. You can choke up a bit on the bat and pull your hit to keep from killing someone you know. LOL Most of those who've lived with me had hard enough heads they'd have survived a full hit from the bat. Maybe even break it. LOL |
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09/25/2009 08:25:34 PM · #25 |
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