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05/17/2008 03:24:17 AM · #1
I see lots of lines and wrinkles!





My Nokia Multigraph 446XPro monitor is software calibrated. In the real image, I see a black background and no lines or wrinkles.

05/17/2008 02:23:18 AM · #2
i see lines!
05/11/2008 06:03:30 PM · #3
Originally posted by hipychik:

Originally posted by liberty:

If I look strait at it (directly in front of my screen) Its looks perfect, but if I look from a side veiw, I can see the wrinkles/lines.
I have a cheaper lcd 17'' screen, and I do look at my images from all veiws, especially being a black background. Caught that by accident once, now I make sure and look. (on my own work, not when voting)
The picture is awesome, despite the bg, I would have never noticed.


Same with my screen. If I'm sitting, looking straight on, it looks solid black. If I stand and look down or from the side, I can see the blue wrinkles.


Me too - straight on, looks black, stand up, looking downwards, I see the blue curtain and wrinkles. 2 uncalibrated monitors but adjusted for room ambience with regards to brightness and contrast only. 1) Dell E228WFP on my desktop, and 2) my laptop screen, a Toshiba (17") Satellite P35-S609.
05/11/2008 05:58:33 PM · #4
I'm working off a spyder2pro calibrated monitor, and the lines are pretty obvious.

One thing you need to ensure you do while calibrating, is set your luminance to "measured." The first few times I calibrated, I was finding the brightness to still be way off because I had Luminance set to "visual." Once I switched it, things were just fine.

Another thing to consider while editing is that your eyes lie to you. As I suggested, when working on images with lots of shadow, be sure to check it against a variety of different backgrounds, for reasons outlined in my thread here.

Heres the image with a large black border. Nothing but resizing and adding a border was done:


And here, with a white border. I can still see the lines, but they are fainter for sure...


Message edited by author 2008-05-11 18:07:42.
05/11/2008 03:04:38 PM · #5
Originally posted by Judi:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Bebe:

My screen is uncalibrated, and the background is obvious (the first thing I noticed). I'm confused about why an uncalibrated monitor would show more detail than a calibrated one. Any ideas?


Think of color slides being projected on a screen: too bright a bulb, too close to the screen you have a washed out looking projected image. Too dim a bulb, too far from the screen, you have a murky, dark image. Monitors are like that, the image you are viewing is a "projected" image; as opposed to a print, where the image is "reflected", formed by light bouncing off a surface (the paper).

Any monitor, basically, can be adjusted so it is "too dark" or "too bright". How do you know which is which? For all practical purposes, if you process an image so it prints properly, then you know your monitor is calibrated correctly if what you see on the monitor is the same as what you see in the print. If your monitor calibration doesn't agree with what you are printing out (prints look darker or brighter than the monitor image) then you have a problem.

It's actually much more complicated than that when you get down to the nitty gritty (you need to take into account printer profiles and a bunch of other things) but the principle obtains: "too dark" and "too bright" only have meaning if they are measured against some reasonably objective standard.

R.


On that note....my Monitors are calibrated. I send all my printing to Brisbane (1000 kilometers away). 24 hours after uploading my order, I have my prints on my front patio. And guess what...they look the same as what I see on my Monitor. My prints cover a huge range from food to action, colour to black and white, studio to outdoors.

How does this relate to what we are discussing here.

Easy. My prints come back looking how they look on my Monitor.....therefore...the Chess image, that looks BLACK on my monitors will come back from my printers, black. Therefore...the ones that see the blue or wrinkles....are either looking at the screens at odd angles forcing the light to pick up different shades....or your monitors are not calibrated.

I am not saying this is a bad thing...but as I said earlier....it makes one wonder how much this type of issue effects voting on your entries and others entries.

Food for thought.


This is quite puzzling for most of us but the fact that Judy can send away the files for printing and that the prints returned match her monitor, would have to mean that Judy's screen is calibrated correctly wouldn't it? Judy sees black and I see black. By that I'm guessing that my monitor is probably calibrated correctly with my Spyder2.

Message edited by author 2008-05-11 15:05:49.
05/11/2008 02:48:13 PM · #6
There is room for human error when calibrating with a spyder2. I don't really know anything about the other systems.
05/11/2008 02:24:15 PM · #7
So, or we to deduct from all the replies that uncalibrated = blacks and not calibrated = not blacks? I don't think so but... No matter the results, shouldn't the real test be as Niten suggested? Open up the image in photoshop and check to see if you have 0, 0, 0 blacks.

I opened this up in PS and I see a blue velvet bg. I skim over the bg with the eyedropper tool and I could hardly get an RGB value of 0,0,0. This bg is not black and I'm having serious reservations about buying my first Spyder calibration tool.

Could it be that the monitor is not well calibrated? I don't understand that calibrated monitors are seeing black when the colour is blue. Puzzled.

Message edited by author 2008-05-11 14:25:45.
05/11/2008 12:37:26 PM · #8
View it against a black background... anything that isnt pure black will really stand out.
05/11/2008 11:33:51 AM · #9
You can check to see the value of the blacks by opening the image in photoshop, chose the color picker and click on a few spots of the black. That will tell you real quick no matter what monitor you are using.

T
05/11/2008 10:44:37 AM · #10
Blue lines on velvet on uncalibrated laptop, black background on spyder 3 calibrated monitor.

Good to know my expensive calibration system sets my monitor to hide image detail...
05/11/2008 10:30:54 AM · #11
Blue lines on a velvety bg. I use a NEC CRT, uncalibrated.
05/11/2008 08:16:55 AM · #12
Black on my 'manually' calibrated Flatron L225WS 22" - (After agonising over manual calibration for a week, I realised it'd have been much easier and cheaper to buy a Spyder!)
05/11/2008 06:04:21 AM · #13
Black on my calibrated 23" Apple Cinema Display.
05/11/2008 03:28:32 AM · #14
I see 6 little spots in the top right corner but no wrinkles, just black.
05/06/2008 08:21:31 PM · #15
On my uncalibrated laptop monitor I can clearly see a blue sheet like thingy in back.
05/06/2008 07:44:22 PM · #16
i had to come back and say that on my calibrated 22 inch monitor, its a dark black background... no wrinkles..
05/06/2008 05:10:31 PM · #17
I see no wrinkles. I use Spyder2
05/06/2008 05:05:49 PM · #18
Bebe, you could just adjust your monitor until you only see black in the background
05/06/2008 04:55:25 PM · #19
I see wrinkles in a black backdrop!
05/06/2008 04:30:19 PM · #20
Originally posted by Judi:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Bebe:

My screen is uncalibrated, and the background is obvious (the first thing I noticed). I'm confused about why an uncalibrated monitor would show more detail than a calibrated one. Any ideas?


Think of color slides being projected on a screen: too bright a bulb, too close to the screen you have a washed out looking projected image. Too dim a bulb, too far from the screen, you have a murky, dark image. Monitors are like that, the image you are viewing is a "projected" image; as opposed to a print, where the image is "reflected", formed by light bouncing off a surface (the paper).
...
R.

...
I am not saying this is a bad thing...but as I said earlier....it makes one wonder how much this type of issue effects voting on your entries and others entries.

Food for thought.


Thanks Bear! It's still a bit confusing for me, but better than before.

Judi - I didn't vote on this challenge, but my uncalibrated monitor would have caused me to take off a couple of points, maybe even 3. It's not great news that the monitors matter that much! My next photography purchase is now earmarked for a calibration system.
05/06/2008 04:20:38 PM · #21
Originally posted by RamblinR:

Darn, so even calibrated sees the backdrop.

Don't know the answer now then.


The background is black for me, but then my monitor is calibrated to a D50 white point when others may well be using a D65 one.

Don't know if that affects things :-)

(Adds extra technical dimension and sidles away...)
05/06/2008 04:18:43 PM · #22
I'm still learning about all the technological aspects of photography, so maybe I'm just naive, but if you want to have a flat black background, why wouldn't you shoot in front of a flat black background?
You're right though, if I hadn't have tilted my screen it would have looked black, but I wanted to know what the fuss was about.
I'd sure love to be able to send my images to a printer and have them look the same as they do on my monitor! The place I send them to, cuts of the edges. :(
05/06/2008 04:17:59 PM · #23
The first time I just noticed the "thing" under the first soldier but I liked the perspective and thought I could try to do something like this myself.... now I also see a blue wrinkled background.
05/06/2008 04:09:43 PM · #24
Originally posted by Judi:


NOTE - For the viewers who saw nekkid women and little leprachauns....go and take your meds.....hehehehe!


nekkid Leprachauns?
05/06/2008 04:02:53 PM · #25
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Bebe:

My screen is uncalibrated, and the background is obvious (the first thing I noticed). I'm confused about why an uncalibrated monitor would show more detail than a calibrated one. Any ideas?


Think of color slides being projected on a screen: too bright a bulb, too close to the screen you have a washed out looking projected image. Too dim a bulb, too far from the screen, you have a murky, dark image. Monitors are like that, the image you are viewing is a "projected" image; as opposed to a print, where the image is "reflected", formed by light bouncing off a surface (the paper).

Any monitor, basically, can be adjusted so it is "too dark" or "too bright". How do you know which is which? For all practical purposes, if you process an image so it prints properly, then you know your monitor is calibrated correctly if what you see on the monitor is the same as what you see in the print. If your monitor calibration doesn't agree with what you are printing out (prints look darker or brighter than the monitor image) then you have a problem.

It's actually much more complicated than that when you get down to the nitty gritty (you need to take into account printer profiles and a bunch of other things) but the principle obtains: "too dark" and "too bright" only have meaning if they are measured against some reasonably objective standard.

R.


On that note....my Monitors are calibrated. I send all my printing to Brisbane (1000 kilometers away). 24 hours after uploading my order, I have my prints on my front patio. And guess what...they look the same as what I see on my Monitor. My prints cover a huge range from food to action, colour to black and white, studio to outdoors.

How does this relate to what we are discussing here.

Easy. My prints come back looking how they look on my Monitor.....therefore...the Chess image, that looks BLACK on my monitors will come back from my printers, black. Therefore...the ones that see the blue or wrinkles....are either looking at the screens at odd angles forcing the light to pick up different shades....or your monitors are not calibrated.

I am not saying this is a bad thing...but as I said earlier....it makes one wonder how much this type of issue effects voting on your entries and others entries.

Food for thought.
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