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05/28/2016 09:14:05 PM · #1 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think there have been more than 4000 opportunities to vote this year so far, not including the entries in voting currently. I'm not sure what that averages per day but I'm pretty sure I've voted on most. |
If you're including everyone who could possibly vote, that is more than 220,000 "opportunities" this year. |
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05/28/2016 12:38:33 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
If I enter, I vote. If I vote, I generally try to comment at least 20%. None of this has made me a better photographer, and in fact I keep getting worse as both the Memories feature on Facebook points out and my scores here reflect, but hopefully some of you appreciate the effort. :) |
Deb, I still remember that you were my first PM. And it was to encourage my entries! You are a star in my book! Thanks.
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05/28/2016 12:29:26 AM · #3 |
| Correct me if I'm wrong but I think there have been more than 4000 opportunities to vote this year so far, not including the entries in voting currently. I'm not sure what that averages per day but I'm pretty sure I've voted on most. |
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05/27/2016 09:47:47 PM · #4 |
I know I do, Deb!
I've voted an average 9.37 votes each day this year so far.
And... and given an average of 4.97 comments each day this year so far.
Life is good, folks!!
Just... enjoy whatever people give to you. And don't expect more than than they give.
It will make you bitter and unhappy with your life.
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05/27/2016 07:06:06 PM · #5 |
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05/27/2016 05:20:06 PM · #6 |
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05/27/2016 04:11:27 PM · #7 |
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05/27/2016 02:25:14 PM · #8 |
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05/27/2016 12:12:52 PM · #9 |
| If I enter, I vote. If I vote, I generally try to comment at least 20%. None of this has made me a better photographer, and in fact I keep getting worse as both the Memories feature on Facebook points out and my scores here reflect, but hopefully some of you appreciate the effort. :) |
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05/27/2016 11:48:44 AM · #10 |
| Oy... You guys are all... same |
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05/27/2016 07:18:55 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by jomari:
Originally posted by tanguera:
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
On my entries, 29 participants out of 54 voted on my Expert FS and 23 participants out of 38 voted on my Surrealism. Thanks.
Maybe we should try having a challenge where there are no votes, only comments... and after a week, the winners appear in order of the number of comments received. |
Another interesting idea, but even if it was possible to implement, there's no way to determine the winner if 5 or 6 or 10 images that have the sane number of comments. |
The sane number of comments ... or a number of sane comments..... |
I do post sane comments, every 100'th one or so.... normally because of a spelling error or a lack of grammatical correctness. |
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04/22/2016 08:47:50 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
On my entries, 29 participants out of 54 voted on my Expert FS and 23 participants out of 38 voted on my Surrealism. Thanks.
Maybe we should try having a challenge where there are no votes, only comments... and after a week, the winners appear in order of the number of comments received. |
Another interesting idea, but even if it was possible to implement, there's no way to determine the winner if 5 or 6 or 10 images that have the sane number of comments. |
The sane number of comments ... or a number of sane comments..... |
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04/22/2016 01:24:23 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
On my entries, 29 participants out of 54 voted on my Expert FS and 23 participants out of 38 voted on my Surrealism. Thanks.
Maybe we should try having a challenge where there are no votes, only comments... and after a week, the winners appear in order of the number of comments received. |
Another interesting idea, but even if it was possible to implement, there's no way to determine the winner if 5 or 6 or 10 images that have the sane number of comments. |
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04/22/2016 01:24:17 PM · #14 |
I vote on every challenge I'm in and if time permits I'll vote on one or two more, time is a rarity at the moment so commenting is down but I will always vote on the challenges I've entered.
I'm in the next door challenge so I'll vote 100%, it won't difficult will it.
Votes count but popularity shouldn't.
You get out of this site what you put into it, be nice, agree sheepishly with the popular and don't ever step out of line and you'll be rewarded, even if we know it's all false, we'll feel good. |
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04/22/2016 01:21:02 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
On my entries, 29 participants out of 54 voted on my Expert FS and 23 participants out of 38 voted on my Surrealism. Thanks.
Maybe we should try having a challenge where there are no votes, only comments... and after a week, the winners appear in order of the number of comments received. |
In some ways I like that idea. But based on my current entry, I'd bet there'd be challenges that I never get anything from anyone in that case. :-( |
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04/22/2016 12:47:15 PM · #16 |
On my entries, 29 participants out of 54 voted on my Expert FS and 23 participants out of 38 voted on my Surrealism. Thanks.
Maybe we should try having a challenge where there are no votes, only comments... and after a week, the winners appear in order of the number of comments received.
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04/21/2016 11:59:31 PM · #17 |
| I vote on every challenge. Time permitting I make some comments at the second round. If we all do the same we might be more satisfied with the front page. |
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04/21/2016 05:47:30 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
The voting populace has changed. It's changed before. It will change again. And the results vary depending upon who is voting.
But I have always believed, and will continue to believe until I see any sign of it being different, that it's not a popularity site with butt kissing buddies doing their stuff,
It's a group of photographers who are trying. It's a group of photographers who are working with what they have and what they can.
Has the quality gone down? Yes. Because we lost a lot of really talented photographers who have moved on. And while I agree that I'm not telling people what an incredible site this is because of the sheer quality, I'm still telling people that it's an incredible site where you can learn a heck of a lot.
I'm at a 5.5 in junque. It's not a good photo, but I like it. Because I crawled around making myself sick trying to figure out how to do what I wanted to do. (I had a bad headache to start with). But I had a lighting idea in mind and I couldn't get it to work. I tried a lot of different methods. And while I didn't figure out how to do it right, I figured out many, many ways of doing it wrong. And I learned in the process.
Jagar would call the photo stupid, crap and frivolous. But I was doing it to learn. And I learned. There's a limit to how many epic photos you can come up with if you're trying to do every challenge. But if I only went for epic, I would have missed so much. Most of my learning has come from silly frivolous crap. Because I don't have a brain that can come up with epic 3 times a week. But when I see the epic (or conceive of the epic) once every 3-4 months or so, I am sooooo much more ready for it than I would be otherwise.
People have said over and over again that you get out of the site what you put into it.
It's as true now as it ever was. |
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04/21/2016 05:37:49 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Originally posted by vawendy:
People have said over and over again that you get out of the site what you put into it.
It's as true now as it ever was. |
Couldn't have said it better, Wendy. |
Yes, so true. And to my original point, one can get a lot out of voting (and commenting) as well. Having to view each entry while voting is well worth the time spent as a learning tool! And everyone else benefits in the process:) |
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04/21/2016 05:23:17 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
People have said over and over again that you get out of the site what you put into it.
It's as true now as it ever was. |
Couldn't have said it better, Wendy. |
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04/21/2016 04:08:13 PM · #21 |
The voting populace has changed. It's changed before. It will change again. And the results vary depending upon who is voting.
But I have always believed, and will continue to believe until I see any sign of it being different, that it's not a popularity site with butt kissing buddies doing their stuff,
It's a group of photographers who are trying. It's a group of photographers who are working with what they have and what they can.
Has the quality gone down? Yes. Because we lost a lot of really talented photographers who have moved on. And while I agree that I'm not telling people what an incredible site this is because of the sheer quality, I'm still telling people that it's an incredible site where you can learn a heck of a lot.
I'm at a 5.5 in junque. It's not a good photo, but I like it. Because I crawled around making myself sick trying to figure out how to do what I wanted to do. (I had a bad headache to start with). But I had a lighting idea in mind and I couldn't get it to work. I tried a lot of different methods. And while I didn't figure out how to do it right, I figured out many, many ways of doing it wrong. And I learned in the process.
Jagar would call the photo stupid, crap and frivolous. But I was doing it to learn. And I learned. There's a limit to how many epic photos you can come up with if you're trying to do every challenge. But if I only went for epic, I would have missed so much. Most of my learning has come from silly frivolous crap. Because I don't have a brain that can come up with epic 3 times a week. But when I see the epic (or conceive of the epic) once every 3-4 months or so, I am sooooo much more ready for it than I would be otherwise.
People have said over and over again that you get out of the site what you put into it.
It's as true now as it ever was. |
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04/21/2016 03:47:03 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by jagar:
With such little numbers and such a small community, it is becoming obvious that the scores don't hold much photographic merit, A few years ago i used to look at the front page and sometimes think wow I really don't like that style of photo, it's really static, doesn't hold much emotion for me or whatever, but at least I could sea the skill and the merit in the shot, take  DrAchoo for example but there are many, even if it wasn't my thing I knew it deserved to be up there. What I'm about to say won't make me any friends but hey in this virtual world of false niceties and pseudo personalities I'm well beyond caring. Nowadays the front page horrifies me, it's astoundingly low quality and void of any photographic originality. I've been known in the past to say to fellow real life photographers, mostly French I admit: hey I belong to a great site called DPC and it's really helped me progress, you should take a look and see what you think, there's absolutely no way I would do that now, i'd be embarrassed to say I entered a challenge where the winning images were of such crap quality and of such silly content. I still like the idea of a challenge but to hold any value in the results here is pure folly, this has become a nice little popularity site with butt kissing buddies doing their stuff. |
my thoughts, to somehow make this positive... and I encourage others to think of ways to remediate this situation as well...
1. This may all be true. My suggestion was to try and garner more interest in voting..... one of the possible outcomes of this would be for those who do enter to be viewing all the other offerings. If everyone were voting, they might NOTICE that the entries all look the same and this might net some change.
2. If you had a dozen or so friends who are photographers you could encourage them all to join up. If they'd all enter a challenge together we'd have something different to look at. If they win, they'd all be on the front page! |
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04/21/2016 01:51:53 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by jagar:
With such little numbers and such a small community, it is becoming obvious that the scores don't hold much photographic merit, A few years ago i used to look at the front page and sometimes think wow I really don't like that style of photo, it's really static, doesn't hold much emotion for me or whatever, but at least I could sea the skill and the merit in the shot, take DrAchoo for example but there are many, even if it wasn't my thing I knew it deserved to be up there. What I'm about to say won't make me any friends but hey in this virtual world of false niceties and pseudo personalities I'm well beyond caring. Nowadays the front page horrifies me, it's astoundingly low quality and void of any photographic originality. I've been known in the past to say to fellow real life photographers, mostly French I admit: hey I belong to a great site called DPC and it's really helped me progress, you should take a look and see what you think, there's absolutely no way I would do that now, i'd be embarrassed to say I entered a challenge where the winning images were of such crap quality and of such silly content. I still like the idea of a challenge but to hold any value in the results here is pure folly, this has become a nice little popularity site with butt kissing buddies doing their stuff. |
That's very disappointing to hear. I sure hope it hasn't gotten as bad as you say. But judging with my own eyes, it's hard to defend against what you are implying. :-( |
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04/21/2016 01:41:29 PM · #24 |
| With such little numbers and such a small community, it is becoming obvious that the scores don't hold much photographic merit, A few years ago i used to look at the front page and sometimes think wow I really don't like that style of photo, it's really static, doesn't hold much emotion for me or whatever, but at least I could sea the skill and the merit in the shot, take DrAchoo for example but there are many, even if it wasn't my thing I knew it deserved to be up there. What I'm about to say won't make me any friends but hey in this virtual world of false niceties and pseudo personalities I'm well beyond caring. Nowadays the front page horrifies me, it's astoundingly low quality and void of any photographic originality. I've been known in the past to say to fellow real life photographers, mostly French I admit: hey I belong to a great site called DPC and it's really helped me progress, you should take a look and see what you think, there's absolutely no way I would do that now, i'd be embarrassed to say I entered a challenge where the winning images were of such crap quality and of such silly content. I still like the idea of a challenge but to hold any value in the results here is pure folly, this has become a nice little popularity site with butt kissing buddies doing their stuff. |
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04/21/2016 01:10:04 PM · #25 |
I do understand that everything I am about to say is only my opinion but here goes...
When we have so few of us it's obvious that we will recognize some of the photos, even if they haven't been shared privately which I know happens too (it does with me and I've already told you I vote 100%). Can't vote without bias? What is that? We are all mature adults here.. you are voting on a photograph. Some people I really enjoy here take lousy pictures some of the time and I vote them accordingly. Some people I don't see eye to eye with take great pictures some of the time and I vote them accordingly too.
To anyone who votes based on WHO took the photograph.. get a life! This is DPC not some Olympic event.
And we all should be voting if we care about this place at all. It really doesn't take very long.
100 votes and 5 are biased (if that's what happens) is better than a total lack of votes for fear of doing something wrong. That's just depressing.
We need to do something to make this place lively again!!! When nothing changes from hour to hour.. no new comments.. no new votes.. everyone is going to stop opening up the page:(
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