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09/01/2015 07:52:16 AM · #1 |
Originally posted by herfotoman:
f8 was the go-to setting for all professional nature photographers, so that the whole of the beast would be in focus. Difficult without good equipment and technique at golden light time.Nowadays it's choose any old f-stop you like and the roaming ISO band as wide as the Amazon will take care of the rest. |
this is why i dont get this challenge, what does f8 actually do? how is it restricting? |
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09/01/2015 07:23:48 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
So does this mean no Save For Web? Or how will you know who to DQ? |
We never DQ without seeing an original, unless it's for something like a copyright statement on the entry, so we'll know when we see the EXIF. |
So maybe I missed something. Does an original need to be submitted with every entry? |
I suspect the usual trust is placed in us all, as with the date-stamp. You only get caught out when you send in the original. But do not expect mercy then...
And if your image has only a slither of in-focus area, or miles and miles of perfect DOF focus, expect to hear the whistle blowing.
Could you stack a lot of f8's to get the whole image sharp and pass the test?
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09/01/2015 07:04:34 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
So does this mean no Save For Web? Or how will you know who to DQ? |
We never DQ without seeing an original, unless it's for something like a copyright statement on the entry, so we'll know when we see the EXIF. |
So maybe I missed something. Does an original need to be submitted with every entry? |
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09/01/2015 06:27:08 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
The challenge has been updated with a flag to require compliance with the aperture specification. We're allowing a tolerance of .2 in either direction, as some P&S cameras can be sloppy that way; you set them to f/8 aperture priority and they return, say, f/7.9 in the EXIF. |
So does this mean no Save For Web? Or how will you know who to DQ? |
In early versions of Photoshop, "Save For Web" used to strip all metadata. Now (probably for a number of versions back) it has options about how much metadata to save with the output (drop down box above the "color table":
* None
* Copyright
* Copyright and Contact Info
* All Except Camera Info
* All
But, as Robert just posted while I am typing, users must submit original files with EXIF when an image is considered for possible DQ, so a jpg 700 kb entry submission without metadata is not a problem. |
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09/01/2015 06:15:45 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by fngood83:
Does this mean I cannot use my legacy lenses?? They don't transmit data. |
Unfortunately, that's correct. No legacy lenses. No lensbabies on this one either :-) |
And no Leica M cameras. Leica only estimates the aperture based on the light hitting the sensor as there is no electronic aperture information passed from the lens to the camera. Chances are, even when shot at f8, it won't necessarily register f8 on the EXIF. Conversely, the camera could incorrectly register f8 when the image was shot at a different setting. |
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08/31/2015 11:36:32 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
So does this mean no Save For Web? Or how will you know who to DQ? |
We never DQ without seeing an original, unless it's for something like a copyright statement on the entry, so we'll know when we see the EXIF. |
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08/31/2015 11:07:42 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by fngood83:
Does this mean I cannot use my legacy lenses?? They don't transmit data. |
Unfortunately, that's correct. No legacy lenses. No lensbabies on this one either :-) |
Yep, I was just checking my Rokinon 85mm exif:
The f/stop, focal length, and lens are all invalid data. :( |
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08/31/2015 07:40:31 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
The challenge has been updated with a flag to require compliance with the aperture specification. We're allowing a tolerance of .2 in either direction, as some P&S cameras can be sloppy that way; you set them to f/8 aperture priority and they return, say, f/7.9 in the EXIF. |
So does this mean no Save For Web? Or how will you know who to DQ? |
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08/31/2015 07:35:02 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by fngood83:
Does this mean I cannot use my legacy lenses?? They don't transmit data. |
Unfortunately, that's correct. No legacy lenses. No lensbabies on this one either :-) |
I knew there was a reason I went ahead and picked up the kit lens with my A7m2! :-) I'll have to put it back in my camera bag (hmmm ... actually put it ON the camera). LOL |
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08/31/2015 07:25:11 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by fngood83:
Does this mean I cannot use my legacy lenses?? They don't transmit data. |
Unfortunately, that's correct. No legacy lenses. No lensbabies on this one either :-) |
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08/31/2015 07:12:03 PM · #11 |
You know, the challenge is f/8 -- if you shoot at F8 you may experience unexpected results, and experience a horrible f8 ... but we will f8 you if you absolutely master the technique, making a ribbon a virtual f8 accompli ...
Message edited by author 2015-08-31 19:12:28. |
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08/31/2015 07:05:06 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by Lydia:
Originally posted by Ecce_Signum:
We had to have this sooner or later, because, well, it's F8. |
Originally posted by sfalice:
If we don't do it right, do we F4 F8? |
Oh NOOOooooo!!! Make it stop! LOL!! Make it stop!! |
Wow, I just looked at one of my lenses and realized, "this one goes to f11!" |
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08/31/2015 06:59:56 PM · #13 |
| Does this mean I cannot use my legacy lenses?? They don't transmit data. |
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08/31/2015 05:03:41 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Ecce_Signum:
We had to have this sooner or later, because, well, it's F8. |
Originally posted by sfalice:
If we don't do it right, do we F4 F8? |
Oh NOOOooooo!!! Make it stop! LOL!! Make it stop!!
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08/31/2015 04:34:05 PM · #15 |
| I appreciate the extra rule. Thanks! |
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08/31/2015 03:09:06 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Ecce_Signum:
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by Mike:
i dont get this challenge either. what about f8 is so special? |
We had to have this sooner or later, because, well, it's F8. |
What we need is an F42 - that would be the answer to life, the universe and everything :) |
If we don't do it right, do we F4 F8? |
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08/31/2015 03:04:09 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by Mike:
i dont get this challenge either. what about f8 is so special? |
We had to have this sooner or later, because, well, it's F8. |
What we need is an F42 - that would be the answer to life, the universe and everything :) |
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08/31/2015 03:03:08 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by Mike:
i dont get this challenge either. what about f8 is so special? |
We had to have this sooner or later, because, well, it's F8. |
Uggg. |
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08/31/2015 02:58:56 PM · #19 |
| f8 was the go-to setting for all professional nature photographers, so that the whole of the beast would be in focus. Difficult without good equipment and technique at golden light time.Nowadays it's choose any old f-stop you like and the roaming ISO band as wide as the Amazon will take care of the rest. |
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08/31/2015 02:48:45 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Mike:
i dont get this challenge either. what about f8 is so special? |
We had to have this sooner or later, because, well, it's F8.
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08/31/2015 02:07:00 PM · #21 |
The old motorsport photography maxim was "f/8 at 1/500". Used to get fairly good results in the film days...
Originally posted by Mike:
i dont get this challenge either. what about f8 is so special? |
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08/31/2015 01:17:18 PM · #22 |
with the Leica Mono and Leica lenses that are not 6bit coded there is quite a bit of guesswork done by the camera regarding f-stop I have shot off a set of photos at f2.8 and had readings of f1.5 so I might have to miss this one out which is a shame.
I use MF lenses with my XT1 but that would say f0 |
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08/31/2015 11:48:59 AM · #23 |
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08/31/2015 11:47:06 AM · #24 |
| The challenge has been updated with a flag to require compliance with the aperture specification. We're allowing a tolerance of .2 in either direction, as some P&S cameras can be sloppy that way; you set them to f/8 aperture priority and they return, say, f/7.9 in the EXIF. |
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08/31/2015 11:24:21 AM · #25 |
Although I'm tiring of the recent amount of "free study" challenges, I do like it that this one at least requires someone to learn something about his camera to meet the topic, if he doesn't already know.
Seems like it should be DQ'd if it's not f/8, though... otherwise it's truly just another Free Study.
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