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10/07/2017 11:02:47 PM · #1 |
| My Olympus m 4/3 has better image quality than any of my DSlr's. To be fair, my DSLR's are not recent models, however. Also bought a Canon G7x recently. It has a slightly smaller sensor than the m 4/3 and still looks great. |
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10/07/2017 07:49:11 PM · #2 |
If any of you are really interested in Olympus you can have look at my Flickr account that is full of full resolution images. I have the albums broken up into lens used with separate albums if I had a TC on the lens. I just picked up the Olympus MZ 300mm f4.0 IS Pro and shot with it for the first time yesterday and I have to say........that lens is absolutely amazing. If you follow the link to my Flickr I have one photo from that lens and one with the TC..............that's all I have edited so far.
I shot Canon for 20+ years and switched to Olympus about 3 years ago and could not be happier. I will post those two photos from the 300 here..................but go to Flickr for full resolution if you want.
This is the bare lens and I was 14.5 feet away. There is no crop on this shot other than going from 4:3 to 3:2.
This is with the TC and I was 25 feet away. The back of his neck and the tip of his beak was about 200px form the edge of the frame. I used PS to expand the canvas then Content Aware to fill in the blank canvas. After that, back to LR to crop for a pleasing composition.
As a wildlife photographer I love Olympus. I shot both those photos handheld from a kayak with 600mm of effective reach and 840mm of effective reach............no way could I do that with my old 1D and 500mm lens. |
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10/07/2017 10:33:34 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I'd be curious to have some current input since in camera/technology years this thread was an ice age ago.
Since I just violated myself by putting a cell phone image on the front page I'm interested in suggestions on a good all 'round body/lens suggestion as a secondary to my D810.
I won't give up the anvil, but especially since I ride my motorcycle so much I'd like the option of a reasonably priced mirrorless camera.
It's a personal thing due to the way that their customer service told me "Too bad about your luck...." over a legitimate warranty situation a few years back, but I wouldn't take a Sony for free. |
I've been tempted to go for the lighter, M43 kit...I do have an older Lumix G5 and a few lenses. But the camera is not good to operate...they did address many of those issues later. I found image quality to be between ok and good.
I eventually succumbed to staying APS-C. For that, if you detest Sony, I would recommend a Fuji X-T20. I love mine...more than my X-T1, which has a few better features, but is very slow in comparison. The X-T20 has the same sensor as the X-T2, with a few missing ergonomic features, but it's like $700 cheaper. And unlike the X-T2, it has a touch screen.
Rumor has it the X-T2S is due out in the next 6 months, and it will finally have IBIS. I personally think that's important if you are into primes, like many users are. Even a few of the higher end zooms of fuji don't have IS!
Fuji is a great compromise for size, performance, and image quality. And the form fact is much better than the Sony 6000 series.
But look for yourself and compare image quality with the M43's. They keep getting better, and lens size definitely becomes an advantage over the other formats.
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10/07/2017 10:26:44 AM · #4 |
I'd be curious to have some current input since in camera/technology years this thread was an ice age ago.
Since I just violated myself by putting a cell phone image on the front page I'm interested in suggestions on a good all 'round body/lens suggestion as a secondary to my D810.
I won't give up the anvil, but especially since I ride my motorcycle so much I'd like the option of a reasonably priced mirrorless camera.
It's a personal thing due to the way that their customer service told me "Too bad about your luck...." over a legitimate warranty situation a few years back, but I wouldn't take a Sony for free.
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10/06/2017 02:22:24 AM · #5 |
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09/16/2014 09:14:23 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by Yandrosxx:
I'll concede IQ is not quite to full frame IQ, but there mirrorless full frame products already on the market.
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you cant call it a dinosaur until its extinct :P
i cant wait for the day until I can get a FF in a smaller body with AF that rivals a dslr. you may wish to trade compactness for IQ and AF speed and lens selection, not everyone wishes to. Luckily we have lots of choices. |
Actually, as you probably know, you can get a FF Nikon D800 or D610 in a small body...it's called a Sony A7 and A7R (the A7R has the same 36mp sensor as the Nikon D800). The problem is, as always lenses (usually size). Sony's own problem to date has been putting out lots of new bodies, and fewer lenses. But their newly announced 16-35 F4 OSS Zeiss looks very promising for us landscape types. And it looks much smaller than the comparable Nikon 16-35 F4 I own, at a few hundred dollars more than I paid. I haven't done a real comparison though...just announced yesterday, and of course, no side by sides or tests yet. I think that's why Sony is going for only F4 on its lenses.
: Spec comparison, Sony is smaller and lighter -- thought still over a lb:
Sony: 18.27 oz (518 g) Approx. 3.07 x 3.88" (78 x 98.5 mm), 72mm filters
Nikon: 24 oz (680 g) Approx. 3.2 x 4.9" (8.13 x 12.45 cm), 77mm filters
But the Olympus's M43 models are indeed tempting (Panny's too, but in body IS means smaller leneses). The lenses for the smaller image circle are definitely smaller and lighter...the new pro lens line, with the new 7-14 F2.8 (14-28) being announced, is smaller than a full frame lens of it's specs. And having an even greater DOF at F2.8 isn't a problem for me.
Not as sure about IQ for the M43 models and the best glass....that's what's kept me away as a serious investment in M43 glass. I used my D600+70-200 F2.8 yesterday for a head shot session....after using my new Lumix FZ1000 almost exclusively for a month. The Lumix is pretty sharp corner to corner at ISO 125...sensor size softens it after that. But not really like the cuttingly sharp Nikon 70-200 F2.8 on the D600. Just blows you away.
If the pro lenses on the Oly could approach that...I might go that way. But only if they're significantly lighter than the Nikon glass. It would be nice to carry something as sharp as the Nikon 16-35 F4, 24-70 F2.8 and 70-200 (they can be F4) on two small bodies and coming in at less than 1/2 the weight. But there's also something a bit disconcerting for me to drop back to 16MP from 24...I like the extra freedom to crop and also the flexibility for larger prints.
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09/15/2014 02:56:07 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Yandrosxx:
I'll concede IQ is not quite to full frame IQ, but there mirrorless full frame products already on the market.
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you cant call it a dinosaur until its extinct :P
i cant wait for the day until I can get a FF in a smaller body with AF that rivals a dslr. you may wish to trade compactness for IQ and AF speed and lens selection, not everyone wishes to. Luckily we have lots of choices. |
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09/15/2014 02:33:24 PM · #8 |
| BTW, I also looked at the Nikon 1 V3, with its new 70-300, as a "wildlife only" camera, to replace the heavy glass I take when shooting wildlife. The jury is still out. Speed and autofocus are there, but I suspect there are too many compromises with the rest of the shooting experience. Having to take the flimsy grip off in the middle of a shoot to get to the battery didn't look like a good idea, and I was having a hard time figuring out the controls standing on the street in front of the store. I think I'm going to rent it for a weekend and see if I can figure out how to work the thing, and if the compromises are something I can live with. |
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09/15/2014 02:22:38 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Yandrosxx:
Manuals are great. |
If only the M10's 30 page paper manual even mentioned image quality settings...it doesn't.
The online manual explains it, and that's where I found the answer, but I had to "install" the manual on my computer, then spend several minutes searching through the many, many instances of the word RAW, to something towards the end of the manual that explained how to set image quality to RAW.
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09/15/2014 02:03:24 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Neil:
You may want to make sure she got a discount on those lenses. Last I looked, Amazon and Oly were offering $200 off EACH on quite a nice selection of lenses with a camera purchase.
Did she look at the M10 versus the M1. The M1 is bigger, which could make it easier to hold without the optional grip. And it has more buttons, and better still, it has a focus on button so you can do press to focus. Alas, it's almost twice the price...but also has hybrid contrast/phase detect focus and is weather sealed. |
Yep, she got the same discounts in the store as online. Prices ended up being the same, and we were able to support the local shop.
Her needs are, shall we say...less technical. She's exactly in the wheelhouse of who the M10 is built for. Simple needs, but still wants the good IQ. If the camera were for me, I would have gotten the M1. |
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09/15/2014 02:02:22 PM · #11 |
Manuals are great.
Once I read the EM5's I realized how dysfunctional Canon's layout really is.
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09/15/2014 02:00:01 PM · #12 |
No, more glass than I need really.
More interested in the 7-14 2.8.
I shoot wide angle much more than I do telephoto and that's the only thing that genuinely bugs me about the EM5.
I may pick up a Super Takumar 135 2.8 though as a cheap alternative.
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09/15/2014 01:59:03 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Yandrosxx:
OMG! All you have to do is hit the ok button and the menu pops up. Then you just touch the RAW icon and switch it.
You can change every feature on the camera that way. |
Straight out of the box, the icon says "LN", which is apparently some jpeg quality setting. You have to touch the "LN" icon, then it lists the different quality settings, including RAW. Pretty non-intuitive. |
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09/15/2014 01:46:29 PM · #14 |
 Yandrosxx You pre-order the 40-150 Pro? Going to order mine next payday, along with the teleconverter. Can't wait to get them, November is such a long ways off tho.
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09/15/2014 01:29:37 PM · #15 |
Correct, I tend to lump them altogether because of the size.
Fair enough.
But, for me that's the central debate. Camera size in relation to IQ and overall performance.
M4/3 cameras IQ and overall performance is easily competitive if not not exceeds APC DSLR crop sensors.
I'll concede IQ is not quite to full frame IQ, but there mirrorless full frame products already on the market.
It won't be long before there are very compelling full frame small body mirrorless cameras in the marketplace that exceed the performance of full frame DSLRs.
Some would say they already exist.
Message edited by author 2014-09-15 13:30:22.
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09/15/2014 01:14:11 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Yandrosxx:
But, there are already m4/3 full frames on the market.
It's only a matter of time. |
Actually there are no m4/3 full frames on the market and probably never will be. There are mirrorless full frames on the market, there is a big difference between mirrorless and full frame. All m4/3 cameras are mirrorless but not all mirrorless are m4/3. m4/3 is the ratio of the image sensor which is a ratio of 4:3 where as most cameras have a ratio of 3:2. m4/3 cameras are only made by Olympus and Panasonic. Lots of companies make mirrorless cameras. |
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09/15/2014 01:01:42 PM · #17 |
Just looked at the possible 7DII specs. Nice camera, but no 4k video? Some m4/3's have it. Rumored the EM1 will end up with it in a firmware update as well.
16,000 ISO would be huge if its clean, but, EM1 shoots capably up to 6,400 and the EM5 at 3,200. Both are expandable now.
The 7DII just is not a compelling argument to go back to shooting with one ton DSLR and lens combos.
Now that the 4/3 pro glass is coming out across the focal range, the limits of m4/3 tech are really pretty minimal.
And everything m4/3 is cheaper.
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09/15/2014 12:41:34 PM · #18 |
A. I have no trouble at all shooting action shots. Shot several series of jet skis jumping boat wakes over the summer. All sharp and IQ is excellent. Much better than my old 50D and certainly as good as anything I've shot on a 7D.
Shoot my kids all the time with the EM5 as well.
What's difficult is tracking a bird, or following a car with it as the C-AF is slow. But, it's not hard to repeatedly half press the shutter while following the action along to take the shot. And with 7fps, you can grab multiple captures at each half press. That's actually how I did it when I used the 50D and 70D anyway.
The difference in practical performance is marginal. Much too much has been made of it. It's certainly not compelling reason to stay with a DSLR.
Even more so, because:
B. As I understand it the newer EM1 greatly improved the C-AF function thereby closing the gap.
DSLRs are dinosaurs. The only reason to stay with a DSLR is for full frame sensors.
But, there are already m4/3 full frames on the market.
It's only a matter of time. |
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09/15/2014 11:59:50 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by LanndonKane:
WHO ARE YOU?! |
(?) Lanndon, I'd like you to meet Ann... |
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09/15/2014 11:32:04 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by Ann:
My wife came home from the camera store yesterday with an OlympusOM-D E-M10 and a couple of lenses. My first impression...
It's really CUTE. in a tiny kind of way. Her whole kit, including batteries, chargers, etc, easily fits in the bag she was jamming the D300 + 50mm into.
The menu system is atrocious. It took me 15 minutes and an internet search to figure out how to switch to RAW.
The EVF is really quite good, but I'd have to change some of the settings to be happy with it.
The Olympus 60mm macro she got is the bees' knees. We were getting amazingly detailed and rich shots of the dust on a living room lampshade, and it is light and easy to hold, unlike my Nikon 105. If I were doing macro regularly, I would consider switching for this alone.
Lens hoods are a profit center for Olympus. We had to order 3rd party ones from elsewhere. |
WHO ARE YOU?! |
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09/15/2014 11:24:38 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by Yandrosxx:
Full Frame DSLR's will soon be dinosaurs if they aren't already. |
very subjective comment, not everyone shoot subject that sit still for an extended period of time.
i did a photoshoot yesterday with two young kids. my 5dii could barely keep up. if anything the the 7Dii soon to come out proves that the dslr isn't going anywhere for a while and enthusiasts still want and need an autofocus system that actually gives you a chance to capture a moving subject.
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09/15/2014 11:19:06 AM · #22 |
OMG! All you have to do is hit the ok button and the menu pops up. Then you just touch the RAW icon and switch it.
You can change every feature on the camera that way. |
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09/15/2014 11:05:56 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by Ann:
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The menu system is atrocious. It took me 15 minutes and an internet search to figure out how to switch to RAW.
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Some things don't change. I had an Oly 8080 and it's menu system was horrible. |
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09/15/2014 11:01:28 AM · #24 |
I switched to an EM5 after years using Canon DSLR's. My last Canon DSLR was the 50D. I borrow my sister's 7d from time to time as well.
I love the EM5 and have no intention of ever buying another DSLR. IQ, size, ISO performance are all excellent. The comparable lens costs to DSLR equivalents are much lower. Great quality legacy lens and other third-party lenses such as the Samyang fisheye 7.5mm have all come along as well.
The only issue I have is autofocus tracking which is poor on the EM5, but greatly improved on the EM1 which is what I will switch to when the price point drops.
Once I figured the main menu out, I discovered its incredibily easy to use, provides immediate access to all functions of the camera with basically one to two touches.
And now, I can carry the body, three lenses, a flash, three sets of AA and AAA batteries, travel charger,wireless triggers, remote triggers all in one small sling bag. And the whole thing is fairly light weight. I broke my back before.
And the EM5 and EM1 is capable of optically controlling certain Olympus and Metz flashes off camera including remotely adjusting flash power.
It's a no brainer.
Full Frame DSLR's will soon be dinosaurs if they aren't already. |
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09/15/2014 10:50:38 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by Ann:
My wife came home from the camera store yesterday with an OlympusOM-D E-M10 and a couple of lenses. My first impression...
It's really CUTE. in a tiny kind of way. Her whole kit, including batteries, chargers, etc, easily fits in the bag she was jamming the D300 + 50mm into.
The menu system is atrocious. It took me 15 minutes and an internet search to figure out how to switch to RAW.
The EVF is really quite good, but I'd have to change some of the settings to be happy with it.
The Olympus 60mm macro she got is the bees' knees. We were getting amazingly detailed and rich shots of the dust on a living room lampshade, and it is light and easy to hold, unlike my Nikon 105. If I were doing macro regularly, I would consider switching for this alone.
Lens hoods are a profit center for Olympus. We had to order 3rd party ones from elsewhere. |
You may want to make sure she got a discount on those lenses. Last I looked, Amazon and Oly were offering $200 off EACH on quite a nice selection of lenses with a camera purchase.
Did she look at the M10 versus the M1. The M1 is bigger, which could make it easier to hold without the optional grip. And it has more buttons, and better still, it has a focus on button so you can do press to focus. Alas, it's almost twice the price...but also has hybrid contrast/phase detect focus and is weather sealed. |
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