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06/20/2012 09:46:58 AM · #1 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
Originally posted by Spork99:
When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade, build a lemon cannon and fire some supersonic citrus at the head of the moron who dumped the lemons on you in the first place |
Spoken by a man who apparently doesn't like lemon meringue pie. |
Correct. I like pie: apple, key lime, cherry, chocolate, pecan just not lemon |
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06/20/2012 02:02:29 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by Jutilda:
All of this discussion won't change the fact that
1. Some people are rude
2. Some people don't want any criticism of their photo, be it constructive or nasty (which I honestly see no point in posting)
3. All photos are subjective and given 100 views of one, you'll have 100 different ideas about it
4. In honor of Rodney King, can't we all just get along? |
I agree with your 4 points.
In fact, this is the very reason that I had this idea.
1. Some people are rude and you really can't control how people respond or react. SO, we use the Sour Lemon as an indicator that rudeness *is allowed* on a specific picture.
This will open the door to both rude and constructive comments. But because the person opened the door with the Sour Lemon picture, they will ignore rudeness and focus on making lemonade. It won't stop people from being rude, but might start a scenario of tolerance. In real life, we have to deal with rude people all the time.
2. Some people don't want any criticism. So there is no need for them to use the Sour Lemon and life carries on as normal. But at least we can understand that and put our attention on those that do.
3. given 100 views of one picture, you will have 100 different ideas about it.... this is specifically why most people put their pictures into a public display place. I WANT different viewpoints than my own. I know what I think. Different viewpoints can often help me to see more and change the way I think. This is a good thing.
4. Can't we all just get along? Yes, but that doesn't mean that we treat everyone the same.
If everyone is different and we treat them all the same, the result will always be different and scattered.
If everyone is different and we treat them all differently - and appropriately to the situation, we have a better chance of all getting along.
I'm at work right now, so I can't take this further just yet, but in a couple of days, I will take this to phase 2.
Message edited by author 2012-06-20 02:02:56. |
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06/19/2012 11:57:39 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by MelonMusketeer:
.... This lemon thing seems like a good idea to me, but I don't see the need for the "Moldy" thread. If you want lemon comments and post the icon with the pix, then you should have the "grain of salt" ready. View the comments for what they are, learn something useful, and get over it without whining or griping. |
+1
If you're a big enough person to post the icon, be a big enough person to accept the comments.
I like this Sour Lemons idea. |
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06/19/2012 09:36:03 PM · #4 |
| I find it amusing when you give a comment that could be very helpful if listened to and people do not mark it helpful but will mark a comment giving nothing but praise, I was just reviewing a comment made that had made a very specific observation and the photog had received a few other comments that mirrored that particular comment and none were marked helpful but seemed to find all positive comments helpful.... Maybe the sour lemon has some merit. |
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06/19/2012 09:21:31 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade, build a lemon cannon and fire some supersonic citrus at the head of the moron who dumped the lemons on you in the first place |
Spoken by a man who apparently doesn't like lemon meringue pie. |
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06/19/2012 01:01:39 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by Tiny:
Of course we can Judy we really don't need any type of fruit.
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You'll get scurvy. |
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06/19/2012 11:25:01 AM · #7 |
| The problem is, some people get all kerfuffled when you combine #1, 2, and 3. Instead, we need to embrace it. |
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06/19/2012 10:38:37 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by Jutilda:
Did ubique leave again? He was around for the Juried Challenge of which I was a part.
All of this discussion won't change the fact that
1. Some people are rude
2. Some people don't want any criticism of their photo, be it constructive or nasty (which I honestly see no point in posting)
3. All photos are subjective and given 100 views of one, you'll have 100 different ideas about it
4. In honor of Rodney King, can't we all just get along? |
Of course we can Judy we really don't need any type of fruit.
Your post says it all.
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06/19/2012 10:29:34 AM · #9 |
Did ubique leave again? He was around for the Juried Challenge of which I was a part.
All of this discussion won't change the fact that
1. Some people are rude
2. Some people don't want any criticism of their photo, be it constructive or nasty (which I honestly see no point in posting)
3. All photos are subjective and given 100 views of one, you'll have 100 different ideas about it
4. In honor of Rodney King, can't we all just get along?
Message edited by author 2012-06-19 10:29:52. |
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06/19/2012 10:15:25 AM · #10 |
We could scale a copy of this one down to lemon size.
My first thoughts about the "Sour Lemon" icon was something that our friend Ken would do, with his fire breathing buddy Godzilla holding a lemon and blowing fire at a computer with the DPC homepage up.
ETA, Some people seem to get bent over the slightest negativity about their "babies". I was a little "down", not angry, just a little depressed, about getting my first few negative comments. I soon realized that the thoughts being shared were honest, and the photos actually did have the flaws mentioned.
Now I don't seem to mind, and even welcome knowing what people are seeing in my photos, be it good or bad. If I make some glaring mistake when shooting, then can't see it until someone says something, then that helps me to know to look for that in my future photos.
If you just want glowing comments and "Wow's", that's what Fb is great for. I enjoy that part of Fb, but DPC has been the place where I have learned what I needed to know about shooting, mostly due to people pointing out what is or is not appealing to them about my photos in their comments.
This lemon thing seems like a good idea to me, but I don't see the need for the "Moldy" thread. If you want lemon comments and post the icon with the pix, then you should have the "grain of salt" ready. View the comments for what they are, learn something useful, and get over it without whining or griping.
Message edited by author 2012-06-19 10:32:17.
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06/19/2012 09:48:34 AM · #11 |
| When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade, build a lemon cannon and fire some supersonic citrus at the head of the moron who dumped the lemons on you in the first place |
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06/18/2012 08:35:48 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by eschelar:
OK, whipped this little guy together. It's not the greatest thing since sliced bread, but until someone with actual talent comes along, I think it will do.
Thoughts? |
A little darker in my monitor. Less vignette, maybe? |
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06/17/2012 04:58:10 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by eschelar:
Thoughts? |
First I thought it said "Your Lennon".
Great idea.
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06/17/2012 02:07:52 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by eschelar:
Thoughts? |
Not yellow enough on my monitor. ;-) |
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06/17/2012 01:11:02 AM · #15 |
| Isn't discussion great? :) |
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06/17/2012 12:55:53 AM · #16 |
Having discussed this outside of the thread with Keiran, I misunderstood his original intentions.
I believe that this is a very solid idea.
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06/17/2012 12:40:22 AM · #17 |
OK, whipped this little guy together. It's not the greatest thing since sliced bread, but until someone with actual talent comes along, I think it will do.
Thoughts?
Message edited by author 2012-06-17 00:40:32. |
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06/15/2012 08:00:33 AM · #18 |
Ugh, and I detect a slight shift in color balance of slightly less in the blues channel too. ;)
That's the spirit. Let er rip.
Please feel free to step well over the edges and get downright nasty. I am looking for a pic with a whole mess of comments that show distinct flavors of what is considered thoughtful, thoughtless, useful, useless and appropriately negative vs inappropriately negative. |
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06/15/2012 07:11:05 AM · #19 |
| Your pool is a bit warmer now. ;-) |
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06/15/2012 12:11:17 AM · #20 |
ambaker, I understand your angst, but we aren't talking about people complaining about getting unwanted comments, this idea is intended to stimulate more comments and more comments that are difficult for some to swallow.
I like this degree symbol idea for challenge images!
I still think it would be good to have a Sour Lemons for general use too and the two things could merge very nicely.
What is more, we could use it as a way to do something proactive that could act as its own 'proof of concept' and perhaps the SC/Langdon might find it suitable to implement it later on, much like the DPL was.
OK, I'm getting the ball rolling on this proof of concept.
I found an old challenge image of mine and added a couple of posts. The first is a marker post. I can't currently edit the pic to add a sour lemons icon, but hopefully for now, the comment will be enough.
I would like to see specifically negative comments. Please visit the picture and leave something nasty, critical and full of bile. Please view it as you would a 'smack talk' thread. Make personal insults and threaten my family. Even if you don't think it's that bad, just drop by and piss in the pool. I've moved well beyond that pic and it has no emotional connection for me, so it's a clean example. Take it to the extreme so we can define the borders of this concept.
Message edited by author 2012-06-15 00:23:01. |
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06/14/2012 08:29:10 PM · #21 |
Flickr has plent of groups where you must "award 5" to post 1, etc. some groups, of you offer a critique, you can be banned, unless the person who posted the images requests it.
I don't see a negative comment any different than a vote of 1-4. The only difference is you know who it was. If you don't want comments, don't enter the challenge. If you don't want anyone to vote less than 7 on your masterpiece, don't enter the challenge. Are we going to ban any vote less than 5 because people don't like getting them? This isn't T-Ball, not everyone gets a trophy.
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06/14/2012 08:11:23 PM · #22 |
strange little double post.
Message edited by author 2012-06-14 20:12:52. |
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06/14/2012 08:10:39 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by JamesDowning:
I do appreciate the feedback, but my point was only to show that I placed the 'degree' symbol in that title. |
Yeah, I know, JamesDowning. But I could not resist.
Besides, once it's in the Forums, well you know what happens. (Joking!, honest.)
I'm still working on the perfect lemon curd (I said curd-starts with a "c" !) for this potential informational symbol.
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06/14/2012 05:44:43 PM · #24 |
| I do appreciate the feedback, but my point was only to show that I placed the 'degree' symbol in that title. |
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06/14/2012 05:43:20 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by JamesDowning:
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Seurat liked dots a lot and I see you do too.
(now off to find a simple symbol/cymbal) |
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